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No penalty for Thomas? That sucks. He instigated the whole melee.
15 games is a bit excessive for Carmelo.
15 games is a bit excessive for Carmelo.
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just a side note.. dont **** wit my knicks! melo lucky he ran away..
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Slim Sheedy said:
Don't worry, Isiah's done a good enough job of that already.
NBA's latest free-for-all dumbfounds players
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
Mary Schmitt Boyer
Plain Dealer Reporter
Scot Pollard was there the last time NBA players rumbled.
That's why he can't believe it happened again on Saturday night, when the Denver Nuggets and New York Knicks fought near the end of a game in Madison Square Garden.
"It's even more stupid than ours," said Pollard, the Cavs reserve center who was a member of the Indiana Pacers when they brawled with players and fans in Detroit on Nov. 19, 2004. "Ours was stupid, too, but it's even more stupid after what happened. You would think we'd set the example."
Apparently the Nuggets and Knicks have short memories. NBA Commissioner David Stern fined each franchise $500,000 on Monday and suspended seven players for a total of 47 games, including 15 for Denver's Carmelo Anthony, the league's leading scorer. (Anthony's 15th game will be Jan. 19, when the Cavs travel to Denver.)
Unlike the first brawl, when the most severe penalties were handed out to the players, including a 73-game suspension for Indiana's Ron Artest, the commissioner this time wanted to drive home the point that franchises are responsible for their employees.
Cavaliers coach Mike Brown was the assistant head coach of the Pacers back in 2004. He backed Stern's decision on Monday and did not think he needed to address the subject of fighting with this team.
"I think we're mature enough in that area," he said.
Most of the Cavs were surprised another brawl broke out so soon after the last one. They also rejected the notions that the Nuggets, who won, 123-100, were trying to show up the Knicks, or that the Knicks' honor was at stake. The incident started when New York's Mardy Collins committed a flagrant foul on J.R. Smith as he drove the lane late in the game.
Smith got up and got in Collins' face, and then New York's Nate Robinson shoved Smith. Robinson and Smith wrestled each other into the seats along the baseline. But as things appeared to be breaking up, Anthony reached in and punched Collins before retreating to half court.
Said Pollard of Collins' foul, "It was a hard foul. He didn't hurt him. Get up. Shake it off. Go make your free throws. Go home. There's a place for everything. Not on the basketball court, though. We're not hockey players. It's not an accepted part of our sport. If you want to fight somebody, go meet 'em outside. Go be a man. Go to them where there's not going to be 20 people pulling you apart. If you really have a problem with him, take it outside."
Said Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who needed stitches after a hard foul from Detroit's Rasheed Wallace last season, "Unless you get mugged with an AK49, shoot your free throws and go back and play."
LeBron James wasn't buying the Knicks' claim that the Nuggets were violating some unwritten rule about taking out starters at the end of a blowout.
"There's no such thing as a mercy rule," James said. "You can't say 'You're up by this many points, get your starters out.' That's up to the opposing head coach. If you're getting blown out, you're getting blown out. You shouldn't be getting beaten that bad. Don't try and blame it on the other team because you're losing that bad."
James and Pollard said it was necessary to stand up for your teammates, but only in the right way.
"In the heat of the battle . . . you have to control your actions a little bit," James said. "I think guys should have learned their lessons from Detroit and Indiana."
Said Pollard, "There's protecting their teammates and then there's antagonizing. There's a line. You want to go out and help the situation, that's fine. But you don't go out there swinging. You go out there and pull them apart."
Asked if players should have learned from the Indiana-Detroit fiasco, Pollard said, "You would think. You work your whole life to make all this money, and you're going to give it back because you want to save your self-respect or whatever you think it is that you're trying to save. It's just ego and it's stupid."
Plain Dealer
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
Mary Schmitt Boyer
Plain Dealer Reporter
Scot Pollard was there the last time NBA players rumbled.
That's why he can't believe it happened again on Saturday night, when the Denver Nuggets and New York Knicks fought near the end of a game in Madison Square Garden.
"It's even more stupid than ours," said Pollard, the Cavs reserve center who was a member of the Indiana Pacers when they brawled with players and fans in Detroit on Nov. 19, 2004. "Ours was stupid, too, but it's even more stupid after what happened. You would think we'd set the example."
Apparently the Nuggets and Knicks have short memories. NBA Commissioner David Stern fined each franchise $500,000 on Monday and suspended seven players for a total of 47 games, including 15 for Denver's Carmelo Anthony, the league's leading scorer. (Anthony's 15th game will be Jan. 19, when the Cavs travel to Denver.)
Unlike the first brawl, when the most severe penalties were handed out to the players, including a 73-game suspension for Indiana's Ron Artest, the commissioner this time wanted to drive home the point that franchises are responsible for their employees.
Cavaliers coach Mike Brown was the assistant head coach of the Pacers back in 2004. He backed Stern's decision on Monday and did not think he needed to address the subject of fighting with this team.
"I think we're mature enough in that area," he said.
Most of the Cavs were surprised another brawl broke out so soon after the last one. They also rejected the notions that the Nuggets, who won, 123-100, were trying to show up the Knicks, or that the Knicks' honor was at stake. The incident started when New York's Mardy Collins committed a flagrant foul on J.R. Smith as he drove the lane late in the game.
Smith got up and got in Collins' face, and then New York's Nate Robinson shoved Smith. Robinson and Smith wrestled each other into the seats along the baseline. But as things appeared to be breaking up, Anthony reached in and punched Collins before retreating to half court.
Said Pollard of Collins' foul, "It was a hard foul. He didn't hurt him. Get up. Shake it off. Go make your free throws. Go home. There's a place for everything. Not on the basketball court, though. We're not hockey players. It's not an accepted part of our sport. If you want to fight somebody, go meet 'em outside. Go be a man. Go to them where there's not going to be 20 people pulling you apart. If you really have a problem with him, take it outside."
Said Zydrunas Ilgauskas, who needed stitches after a hard foul from Detroit's Rasheed Wallace last season, "Unless you get mugged with an AK49, shoot your free throws and go back and play."
LeBron James wasn't buying the Knicks' claim that the Nuggets were violating some unwritten rule about taking out starters at the end of a blowout.
"There's no such thing as a mercy rule," James said. "You can't say 'You're up by this many points, get your starters out.' That's up to the opposing head coach. If you're getting blown out, you're getting blown out. You shouldn't be getting beaten that bad. Don't try and blame it on the other team because you're losing that bad."
James and Pollard said it was necessary to stand up for your teammates, but only in the right way.
"In the heat of the battle . . . you have to control your actions a little bit," James said. "I think guys should have learned their lessons from Detroit and Indiana."
Said Pollard, "There's protecting their teammates and then there's antagonizing. There's a line. You want to go out and help the situation, that's fine. But you don't go out there swinging. You go out there and pull them apart."
Asked if players should have learned from the Indiana-Detroit fiasco, Pollard said, "You would think. You work your whole life to make all this money, and you're going to give it back because you want to save your self-respect or whatever you think it is that you're trying to save. It's just ego and it's stupid."
Plain Dealer