Knicks want Wally

[pl4tinum]

IMO, Crawford = Larry Hughes. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[hype]

NOPE PL4. crawford is a better 3pt shooter, FT shooter, lets not forget larry hughes was scared to drive at all. crawford is not. So you made a stupid comment.

But ya I see what you mean, I think we can sign delfino to start at SG for us. He is much better then crawford. I wish you were are GM.

 

[Smooth]

like split said, crawford was never on a good team. SO TELL ME HOW TO HELL YOU KNOW THAT HE IS ONLY GOOD ON BAD TEAMS. COMMON TELL ME.
( sry for the caps, but that really ticks me off when people make stupid comments like that)

I never said I know it for a fact.. If you would read my second post in this thread, I said that is how I perceive Crawford as a player; I said I see him as that "type" of player... Before you go caps locking everything and calling me stupid, make sure you read everything I said..

drive

How do you know? Only 13% of his shots came from the inside...13%! That was the worst rate in the league last year...

He never drives, he constantly jacks up shots...

pass,

I don't know about that one... He only averaged around 5 assists per 40 minutes compared to 9 turnovers per 40 minutes..

Not only that but he's not even in the top 15 for SG's for Assist Ratio's...

finish,

Completely wrong there... He only shot 43.5% on inside shots last year, which was 3rd last in the league...

Im not completely sure on his def, but considering nobody on the knicks can play def Im not going to judge him yet.

That doesn't make any sense...

I'll do it for you...

The past three years the Knicks have been much better defensively when he's been off the court...

But his opposing PER's have looked somewhat decent, but they've been up-and-down... I'd call him an slightly below-average defender... He seems to do a nice job on guarding PG's but has real problems guarding wing players...

He is a real idea that can help are team. Im not saying that if we get him its a lock for us to win it all, Im saying he can help alot.

I agree he can help, I'm just not sure it'll be "a lot"...

I'm not sold on a jump-shot jacker who rarely goes inside, who doesn't shoot a high percentage from the field, who's a volume shooter, isn't the most cerebral player and doesn't do that well on defense...

As a super-sub, 6th man? Heck yeah...

As a #2 option for a championship team? Heck no...

If this is the best we can get for Wally, then I'd take it but I don't think it is...

 

[PIP]

I never said I know it for a fact.. If you would read my second post in this thread, I said that is how I perceive Crawford as a player; I said I see him as that "type" of player... Before you go caps locking everything and calling me stupid, make sure you read everything I said..



How do you know? Only 13% of his shots came from the inside...13%! That was the worst rate in the league last year...

He never drives, he constantly jacks up shots...



I don't know about that one... He only averaged around 5 assists per 40 minutes compared to 9 turnovers per 40 minutes..

Not only that but he's not even in the top 15 for SG's for Assist Ratio's...



Completely wrong there... He only shot 43.5% on inside shots last year, which was 3rd last in the league...





That doesn't make any sense...

I'll do it for you...

The past three years the Knicks have been much better defensively when he's been off the court...

But his opposing PER's have looked somewhat decent, but they've been up-and-down... I'd call him an slightly below-average defender... He seems to do a nice job on guarding PG's but has real problems guarding wing players...



I agree he can help, I'm just not sure it'll be "a lot"...

I'm not sold on a jump-shot jacker who rarely goes inside, who doesn't shoot a high percentage from the field, who's a volume shooter, isn't the most cerebral player and doesn't do that well on defense...

As a super-sub, 6th man? Heck yeah...

As a #2 option for a championship team? Heck no...

If this is the best we can get for Wally, then I'd take it but I don't think it is...

And that, is indeed, THAT !!!

:rofl:

Smooth Criminal got 'em...

 

[TruBuckeye22]

NOPE PL4. crawford is a better 3pt shooter, FT shooter, lets not forget larry hughes was scared to drive at all. crawford is not. So you made a stupid comment.

well I don't see how it was a stupid comment.....I think they are very simular players except Hughes is a better rebounder and light years better on the defensive end. and actually if you look at their 3 pt % since Hughes signed with the Cavs Larry and Crawford are very close.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

I never said I know it for a fact.. If you would read my second post in this thread, I said that is how I perceive Crawford as a player; I said I see him as that "type" of player... Before you go caps locking everything and calling me stupid, make sure you read everything I said..



How do you know? Only 13% of his shots came from the inside...13%! That was the worst rate in the league last year...

He never drives, he constantly jacks up shots...



I don't know about that one... He only averaged around 5 assists per 40 minutes compared to 9 turnovers per 40 minutes..

Not only that but he's not even in the top 15 for SG's for Assist Ratio's...



Completely wrong there... He only shot 43.5% on inside shots last year, which was 3rd last in the league...





That doesn't make any sense...

I'll do it for you...

The past three years the Knicks have been much better defensively when he's been off the court...

But his opposing PER's have looked somewhat decent, but they've been up-and-down... I'd call him an slightly below-average defender... He seems to do a nice job on guarding PG's but has real problems guarding wing players...



I agree he can help, I'm just not sure it'll be "a lot"...

I'm not sold on a jump-shot jacker who rarely goes inside, who doesn't shoot a high percentage from the field, who's a volume shooter, isn't the most cerebral player and doesn't do that well on defense...

As a super-sub, 6th man? Heck yeah...

As a #2 option for a championship team? Heck no...

If this is the best we can get for Wally, then I'd take it but I don't think it is...

 

[hype]

crawford can drive, and on a better team he will use it more. Just like west for the cavs, he is VERY good at driving inside, but needs more confridence in it, same with crawford.

crawford can pass, 5 assits for a SG on the knicks, i like it. are SG has ummm, Im not even sure because there was like 4-5 different guys starting there.

crawford makes alot of insane shots, as us cavs fans well know because he does it to us all the time. crazy 3 pointers and what not.

I can't judge crawfords def with him on the knicks. I dont care what they do with him off the court, knicks are a joke. Also lebron could help him to. Like kobe did helping lebron.

once again, crawford was pretty much the only guy who can do anything on that shitty knicks team, so he was forced to jack up alot of shots. Here, lebron would give crawford alot of open shots and open lines.

but crawford would be the third guy I go after. artest, carter then crawford.

so ya, I jumped the gun alittle on him finishing, but thats it. soo yaaa. mybe next time bud.

 

[hype]

well I don't see how it was a stupid comment.....I think they are very simular players except Hughes is a better rebounder and light years better on the defensive end. and actually if you look at their 3 pt % since Hughes signed with the Cavs Larry and Crawford are very close.

you forgot that larry hughes is one of the most injury prone guys in the leauge. while crawford is not!!

last season larry played 61 games, crawford played 80

year before larry played 61 again, crawfored played 70

year before larry played 36 games, crawford played 79

Im going with the healthy guy.

 

[Zen]

Jamal Crawford is legit, and at 8 million per year, easily "earns" his paycheck; Zach Randolph is one of the few legit 20-10 guys in the entire league... players of his caliber ARE NOT "always" available! In-fact, the only other 20-10 guy that was given a contract this summer, received a max-deal.

If we could get Zach and Jamal in a deal where we were only giving-up Wally & filler, THAT would NOT be a "desperation" move!!!!

A 20-10 PF, who is only 26, with 7 years experience in the NBA and a SG who is 6'5, and scores 20 per game and is only 28. If you remove the fact that they play for the knicks, people are jumping all over these two!

If Ferry got them both in a deal where Wally was the centerpiece, that wouldn't be an act of desperation... "that" would be a Coup-De-Gra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's almost hard for me to believe that some fans are so naive to the fact that there are more than stats involved when it comes to tangibles and intangibles that make a player "good". There is a massive difference in a player like Randolph, who is the epitome of a (get mine) player, and someone like Delonte West whos efforts dont always show up massively in the stat column but is a gritty team player. Randolph is not a winning player.

If you know anything about the Cavs organization, or our general manager, the thought of adding someone like Zach Randolph, or Sebastian Telfair which I have seen mentioned on this board several times would not even be discussed. Ferry is building a team of quality character "winning" players. Zach Randolph does not fit that mold and the Cavs will avoid him like the plague.

There are times I feel that people post just to hear themselves speak, rather than to add anything of substance, how else could you explain it? In fact If the knicks offered us Randolph for free I would venture to say that Ferry would pass.

-Zen

 

[hype]

great post zen. You can say the same thing about crawford. His stats are not the sexiest numbers out there. But he will no question improve are team.

 

[Zen]

Thanks, I've been an observer for this board for quite sometime now... I dont post often but think I will increase my activity... I tried posting on the cavs.com forums but found that only about 5% of the active user base actually knows anything about basketball =)

 

[1B4IGO]

Thanks, I've been an observer for this board for quite sometime now... I dont post often but think I will increase my activity... I tried posting on the cavs.com forums but found that only about 5% of the active user base actually knows anything about basketball =)

I think even that is a high number zen. Welcome aboard and nice post. I too think Crawford would be an improvement over what we have.

 

[Smooth]

crawford can drive,

I just showed you the stats? Can you grasp them?

The past 3 years he hasn't drove to the basket a lot... The two years prior 20% of his shots came from in close and that would still put him towards the bottom of the league...

He can drive, just like every other player does in the NBA but the fact of the matter is that he won't drive... He hasn't his whole career and it won't stop now...

and on a better team he will use it more.

How do you know? You're making ignorant assumptions..

Just like west for the cavs,

That's not true either.. In fact, he drove less to the whole then he did the last previous years...

This year in Cleveland, 25% of his shots were from in close..

This year in Seattle, 23% of his shots were from in close..

Last year in Boston, 27% of his shots were from in close...

Two years ago in Boston, 29% of his shots were from in close...

Please look up the stats before you make erroneous statements...

, but needs more confridence in it, same with crawford.

Confidence won't do anything...

Basketball players are a creature of habit... Crawford's habit is shooting jumpers and he's been doing it since he was in high school... When a player has done it that long throughout their career, especially in the NBA, it's going to be near impossible to fix...

crawford can pass, 5 assits for a SG on the knicks,

Looking at assists isn't fair... Crawford logged nearly 40 minutes a game last year... Comparing players strictly based on assist numbers is not the way to go, unless their minutes are exactly equal...

A better way to look at how good of a passer, is looking at his Assist Ratio... The Assist ratio is the percentage of a player's possessions that end in an assist... It is a much better stat to take a look at because it takes minutes out of the equation...

Guess what. He wasn't even in the top 15 SG's... And I discounted Delonte West, Jarret Jack, Bobby Jackson and Rodney Stuckey since they're all more PG's.. But that still made Crawford 20th in that area amongst SG's...

Only 18.5% of his possessions ended up in assists... Like I said, good enough for 20th discounting those 4 players...

i like it.

Of course you like it since you think you're correct..

are SG has ummm, Im not even sure because there was like 4-5 different guys starting there.

You mean "our"?

Sasha's was 14.3%, Devin's was 20.2%, Wally's was 10.6% and Hughes was 15.3%...

crawford makes alot of insane shots,

And...?

as us cavs fans well know because he does it to us all the time. crazy 3 pointers and what not.

And...?

I can't judge crawfords def with him on the knicks. I dont care what they do with him off the court, knicks are a joke.

Why? If a player is really that good on defense or at least average defensively, it'll show up on his defensive stats no matter where the player is playing...

Just because they're against what you're saying, doesn't mean you need to dismiss them... Dismissing them makes no sense...

Also lebron could help him to. Like kobe did helping lebron.

once again, crawford was pretty much the only guy who can do anything on that shitty knicks team

So? So was Michael Redd, Vince Carter, etc.

so he was forced to jack up alot of shots.

No one forced him! He did it himself... He's done it his whole career...

This year 86% of his shots were jumpers...

Last year 78% of his shots were jumpers...

The year before that 79% of his shots were jumpers...

The year before that 85% of his shots were jumpers...

The year before that 85% of his shots were jumpers...

The year before that 81% of his shots were jumpers...

That is his whole career except his rookie year...

His whole career he's been a jump-shooter, no team forced him to be like that, he's been like that...

Stop making petty, incorrect excuses...

Here, lebron would give crawford alot of open shots and open lines.

So? It wouldn't mean he wouldn't stop jacking up jumpers... It hasn't stopped him anywhere he's gone yet...

so ya, I jumped the gun alittle on him finishing, but thats it. soo yaaa. mybe next time bud.

Why so serious?

 

[PIP]

:chuckles:

This is not going well for some...

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[Shakalu M.D.]

Smooth, I think you're my favorite. :chuckles: