Kyrie Irving

[Deezus]

Yuck! Aside from their pick, nothing the Lakers have interests me. Here's some deals that would interest me:

1) OKC- Russell Westbrook (with loss to the Spurs, the Thunder might be primed for a big move)
2) Phoenix- Eric Bledsoe & picks
3) Orlando- #4 pick & Tobias Harris
4) Utah- #5 pick & Trey Burke
5) Minnesota- Ricky Rubio & picks
6) Sacramento- (with Thompson) for Cousins & McLemore or #8 pick

1) Maybe
2) No
3) No
4) No
5) No
6) No

 

[DatDudeZ3]

Just because we are "fielding calls" doesn't mean we are trading Kyrie people... The only players that calls shouldn't be fielded for are LeBron James and Kevin Durant. That being said we are not trading Kyrie, we will offer him the max and he will accept it, just watch. But, let's say we don't offer him the max this summer, next summer we can match ANY offer for him in RFA. Trading him would be almost the worst thing to do... You won't get equal value.

 

[Deezus]

we will offer him the max and he will accept it, just watch.

Why offer him the max this summer though? While we all know Kyrie's talent, there are serious red flags surrounding his play, work ethic, and commitment to the franchise. Why not see how he handles the upcoming off season and next season before locking up the fate of the next few years of the franchise with him? We've got LOTS of options available to us now that we have the #1 overall pick again. If Kyrie takes the next step like we all expected him to this year, we still offer him the max... and, I'd argue that he'd be more likely to take the extension after a strong year (which would likely correlate with an improved Cavs team) and having played with our soon-to-bed new rookie stud player. Win-Win situation. The worst case scenario is that Kyrie further regresses this year and/or behaves like a primmadonna, loses a ton of trade value, and we have to trade him for a reduced value.

 

[stowfan]

lol its funny, i read their kyrie thread over at lakersground.. its asking if they should trade their pick for rondo or kyrie.

i was AMAZED at how many of their fans do not want to trade their pick for kyrie

kind of funny kyrie's attitude, effort and defense have laker fans preferring a 7th pick to him

They're still pissed about the Ramon deal.

 

[dark2332]

Yuck! Aside from their pick, nothing the Lakers have interests me. Here's some deals that would interest me:

1) OKC- Russell Westbrook (with loss to the Spurs, the Thunder might be primed for a big move)
2) Phoenix- Eric Bledsoe & picks
3) Orlando- #4 pick & Tobias Harris
4) Utah- #5 pick & Trey Burke
5) Minnesota- Ricky Rubio & picks
6) Sacramento- (with Thompson) for Cousins & McLemore or #8 pick

I could live with Burke and the 5 pick. I'd then try to swing a deal of the 5 and Thompson to Philly for the number 3 pick.

PG Burke
SG Waiters
SF Parker
PF Bennett
C Embiid

Then we still have the cap room to upgrade at the 2 or 4...


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[Adam]

I propose the motion that all those guys trying to trade away kyrie for a bag of chips have to have an apologetic sig next season when he bounces back. I've been critical of him and he has a way to go, but Burke and #5 is just crazy. I've never understood the obsession with draft picks, they are not a sure thing and mostly bust. Grass is always greener, kyrie might not be the saviour of Cleveland but he's still one of the best prospects in the NBA and has plenty of room to grow

 

[The Process God]

I propose the motion that all those guys trying to trade away kyrie for a bag of chips have to have an apologetic sig next season when he bounces back. I've been critical of him and he has a way to go, but Burke and #5 is just crazy. I've never understood the obsession with draft picks, they are not a sure thing and mostly bust. Grass is always greener, kyrie might not be the saviour of Cleveland but he's still one of the best prospects in the NBA and has plenty of room to grow

If only we can find that switch that Kyrie can turn on that makes him just downright dominant, turn it on, and break off the switch, that'd be great.

[video=youtube;G5RT3gXX2gc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5RT3gXX2gc[/video]

I'll never forget that game. He just picked apart one of the best teams in the league, and there was nothing the entire team could do about him.
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One way or another, we WILL have a team around Kyrie that is AT LEAST capable of making the playoffs if not much more next season. He will have no excuse not to perform next season.

 

[AC Got Buckets]

Why offer him the max this summer though? While we all know Kyrie's talent, there are serious red flags surrounding his play, work ethic, and commitment to the franchise. Why not see how he handles the upcoming off season and next season before locking up the fate of the next few years of the franchise with him? We've got LOTS of options available to us now that we have the #1 overall pick again. If Kyrie takes the next step like we all expected him to this year, we still offer him the max... and, I'd argue that he'd be more likely to take the extension after a strong year (which would likely correlate with an improved Cavs team) and having played with our soon-to-bed new rookie stud player. Win-Win situation. The worst case scenario is that Kyrie further regresses this year and/or behaves like a prima-donna, loses a ton of trade value, and we have to trade him for a reduced value.

You offer him the extension now because otherwise he is 1 year away from UFA.

If he has an exceptional year in 2014-15 and has been snubbed by management so publicly (rookies with his level of achievement always get offered the 5 year max as soon as they are eligible), the chances of him taking his $9.1m QO (rather than $16m assuming 30% max) for 1 year and then walking away in UFA increase exponentially. By contrast, he is HIGHLY unlikely not to sign the max extension this year given his injury history and that he has not yet achieved what his talent suggests he should.

 

[Fuggles]

You offer him the extension now because otherwise he is 1 year away from UFA.

If he has an exceptional year in 2014-15 and has been snubbed by management so publicly (rookies with his level of achievement always get offered the 5 year max as soon as they are eligible), the chances of him taking his $9.1m QO (rather than $16m assuming 30% max) for 1 year and then walking away in UFA increase exponentially. By contrast, he is HIGHLY unlikely not to sign the max extension this year given his injury history and that he has not yet achieved what his talent suggests he should.

 

[Fuggles]

I propose the motion that all those guys trying to trade away kyrie for a bag of chips have to have an apologetic sig next season when he bounces back. I've been critical of him and he has a way to go, but Burke and #5 is just crazy. I've never understood the obsession with draft picks, they are not a sure thing and mostly bust. Grass is always greener, kyrie might not be the saviour of Cleveland but he's still one of the best prospects in the NBA and has plenty of room to grow

The main problem is that Burke is nothing special and the drop off from 3 to 5 is just too big.

Irving for the 2nd pick would be intriguing but the Buck's old owner is gone so that won't happen. He loved having an average team every year and that would be the quickest route back to the 8th seed.

 

[Derek]

You offer him the extension now because otherwise he is 1 year away from UFA.

If he has an exceptional year in 2014-15 and has been snubbed by management so publicly (rookies with his level of achievement always get offered the 5 year max as soon as they are eligible), the chances of him taking his $9.1m QO (rather than $16m assuming 30% max) for 1 year and then walking away in UFA increase exponentially. By contrast, he is HIGHLY unlikely not to sign the max extension this year given his injury history and that he has not yet achieved what his talent suggests he should.

You said it yourself, he has an injury history. He's not turning down an extension with max money, whether it's this offseason or next, to play for significantly less money on a 1 year deal just so he can be an unrestricted free agent.

 

[gourimoko]

You said it yourself, he has an injury history. He's not turning down an extension with max money, whether it's this offseason or next, to play for significantly less money on a 1 year deal just so he can be an unrestricted free agent.

The problem is that we can't know for sure. His agent may advise him that he will make the money back depending upon what market he goes to. Leaving Cleveland and going to New York for example could make him the franchise player in MSG. That would likely amount to the lost wages.

Personally, if I were Kyrie and I got snubbed on my extension, I would simply leave. The money would be secondary to the principle. Someone will offer him max money, and once put in that position, he may simply choose to go to the largest market possible. In fact, by not giving him an extension, it may open the door for him to say "I'll be an unrestricted free agent, and I'd like to test the market in 20XX." That would have teams clearing cap and making a run at him, a situation we'd likely lose out on.

 

[tsteele316]

The problem is that we can't know for sure. His agent may advise him that he will make the money back depending upon what market he goes to. Leaving Cleveland and going to New York for example could make him the franchise player in MSG. That would likely amount to the lost wages.

Personally, if I were Kyrie and I got snubbed on my extension, I would simply leave. The money would be secondary to the principle. Someone will offer him max money, and once put in that position, he may simply choose to go to the largest market possible. In fact, by not giving him an extension, it may open the door for him to say "I'll be an unrestricted free agent, and I'd like to test the market in 20XX." That would have teams clearing cap and making a run at him, a situation we'd likely lose out on.

it's easy to have principles when you're not the one risking losing out on 8 figures because of some fictitious grudge.

 

[bigfoot5415]

He will get the max because the market says he should. I personally don't like the term "Max" player because there are only 3-5 guys that deserve that honor. Instead, there are so many small market teams that need to overpay for their stars.

Back when Steph Curry signed his new deal, there was a glimmer of hope that Kyrie (who had the same concerns) would wind up with a similar contract. However, once Wall signed an undeserving max deal, we are now forced to pay Kyrie the same. PGs will get paid what big men used to...10+ mil for potential.

 

[Derek]

The problem is that we can't know for sure. His agent may advise him that he will make the money back depending upon what market he goes to. Leaving Cleveland and going to New York for example could make him the franchise player in MSG. That would likely amount to the lost wages.

Personally, if I were Kyrie and I got snubbed on my extension, I would simply leave. The money would be secondary to the principle. Someone will offer him max money, and once put in that position, he may simply choose to go to the largest market possible. In fact, by not giving him an extension, it may open the door for him to say "I'll be an unrestricted free agent, and I'd like to test the market in 20XX." That would have teams clearing cap and making a run at him, a situation we'd likely lose out on.

He would be losing out on a ton of money just by leaving, not to mention the 1 year on the discounted QO. If he's ok with that, along with the injury risk that could cost him millions more, then good for him.