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Something is definitely not right.

I can see coasting a bit and not killing yourself this early in the season. I'm sure I'd do the same. But if your goal is ultimately winning - with this many new pieces added - you get your shit together first, then coast a bit. He shouldn't have to bust his ass here, we've got Love, Irving, Thompson and Waiters to do that (not to mention - he is NOT busting his ass here, that's for sure). What's going on here is very strange, you just do not conduct yourself this way as a professional, let alone this early in the season. I don't even care about wins so much as building the comraderie and, at the very least, effort. No way should any team with this much offensive firepower be getting manhandled by the worst teams in the league on a nightly basis.

If you go back and watch the games, I can't even count the number of times the other team scores and he stands there and pouts, drops his shoulders and makes the face. Now, I'm sure parts of this have been very frustrating, but you don't act like that as a leader. You get on someone's case so it can be fixed, talk with them, and then lead by example. What he's doing is not leading at all. Add to that, to be completely honest - he's played worse than the rest of them with this awful passes, missed layups, jacking up 3's, etc. I can't count the number of times I've heard my father say "what's wrong with him?" this season.

Makes no sense to me...after 30 games in. If he didn't want to be here, why did he come back?
 
Cayman13 said:
Something is definitely not right.

I can see coasting a bit and not killing yourself this early in the season. I'm sure I'd do the same. But if your goal is ultimately winning - with this many new pieces added - you get your shit together first, then coast a bit. He shouldn't have to bust his ass here, we've got Love, Irving, Thompson and Waiters to do that (not to mention - he is NOT busting his ass here, that's for sure). What's going on here is very strange, you just do not conduct yourself this way as a professional, let alone this early in the season. I don't even care about wins so much as building the comraderie and, at the very least, effort. No way should any team with this much offensive firepower be getting manhandled by the worst teams in the league on a nightly basis.

If you go back and watch the games, I can't even count the number of times the other team scores and he stands there and pouts, drops his shoulders and makes the face. Now, I'm sure parts of this have been very frustrating, but you don't act like that as a leader. You get on someone's case so it can be fixed, talk with them, and then lead by example. What he's doing is not leading at all. Add to that, to be completely honest - he's played worse than the rest of them with this awful passes, missed layups, jacking up 3's, etc. I can't count the number of times I've heard my father say "what's wrong with him?" this season.

Makes no sense to me...after 30 games in. If he didn't want to be here, why did he come back?
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I always thought LeBron was gonna go balls out for the first 30 or so games of the season, build a chemistry with the guys, get some wins, and then go into chill mode until the playoffs. That would have build way better habits in guys like Kyrie and Dion than whats happening now. LeBron is a weird guy.
 
Yeah this is going to become a huge problem.

LeBron is supposed to be grooming these guys who have never played in meaningful basketball games.

When do you do that? You have to start grooming them in the regular season.

To LeBron, the regular season is meaningless.

Teaching these guys that "it's okay to turn it off and on" is quite possibly the worst way to teach them.
Unequivocally that will bite you in the ass in the playoffs, it's a foregone conclusion.

Now breaking away from Blatt, what good is this doing us? I think Kyrie and Kevin would run Blatt's stuff.

LeBron is the problem here. When the head of your team doesn't buy in, and only puts in effort when he wants to: terrible precedent to set.
 
I'm not even worried about LeBron's effect on the team in terms of setting a precedent, "turning it off and on". They are professionals too. If anything I wouldn't be surprised if it really ticks Kyrie and Dion off. They are working to get better, excited for new coach, excited to gel and grow the young team, then superstar LeBron comes into town, takes everything by storm, and is dogging it.

i'm worried about the on court performance...if lebron wants to dog it then he needs to do it in the system and not demand to iso at the top of the key on most possessions. would be better for everyone.
 
I-77 NORTH said:
What person in their right mind would give more leverage to some rookie head coach over Lebron?

I don't think some of you understand the mentality of someone like Lebron James. He's literally THE NBA. He's the most polarizing player since you know who. He breathes basketball in every sense of the word. He's got the game of basketball wrapped around his finger. He's not going to bow down to anyone underneath his realm of basketball, on any level. He's mastered the game while Blatt has barely scratched the surface of legitimate professional basketball.

Lebron has been the most dominating force of basketball since the age of 16. You really think having some rookie coach is going to steer Lebron into the direction he wants to go?

What don't some of you understand? This isn't fucking middle school. No one gets an ounce of respect in this league without earning it in the worst way.

Giving a rookie head coach more leverage than the greatest basketball player on this planet?

Stop dreaming.
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Oh good, more of your ridiculous Blatt hatred and LeBron worship. You do this every once in a while in a thread and throw out something like "Get Blatt the fuck out of here!!!" posts followed up by wildly speculative assertions (that you pass as fact) about Blatt not "connecting with the players/LeBron" and how LeBron's sheer greatness allows him to deem Blatt incongruent with the team.

You know, having a problem with Blatt is a completely valid position. Certainly is. But can you tell what your problem with Blatt is WITHOUT referencing how you THINK it pertains to LeBron's wants? Without referencing Windhorst/Twitter gossip?

Do you have empirical or analytic reasons? Do you not like his X's and O's? (you know, when his system is actually getting run by LeBron?) Do you not like his rotations? Do you have stats to back up your positions? Did you follow his career elsewhere or even watch what he did elsewhere to try and understand what teams running his system are about? Probably not, since, according to you he has "barely scratched the surface of legitimate professional basketball..."

What you offer could barely even be considered a conjectural basis for not liking him. You offer nothing besides improvable emotional statements like he "isn't the coach for this team!" "can't connect!" LeBron's greatness is infalliable and he has never misjudged anything. And it's always when the Cavs lose big.

I really enjoy this board, but every once in a while there is a poster who just posts flat out baseless emotional dreck for the sake of it. There's no reasoned approach behind their opinion, it's just nebulous and immeasurable feelings projected loudly. Just because your opinion is loud and bold doesn't mean it's adding any worthy discussion points.
 
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I agree Frank. People don't get it. I hate to blame a player of his magnitude and I'm sure what some are thinking is "Oh, of course he's going to get blamed, best player on the planet, etc." IMO, the fault really does lie with LeBron. I know they're missing a few pieces, but you can still get your guys going and playing together until the front office can fix those issues. There is absolutely no excuse, at this point, to have such bad body language and behavior. Lose games.....fine, but you don't continuously lose games like we are losing with the likes of LBJ, Kevin Love, and Kyrie Irving. Come on.

I am really believeing that he is trying to get rid of Blatt. It has to be. Nothing else makes sense.
 
Im convinced this dude was on the juice while in Miami - probably part of the Bosch sting that netted A-Rod and Ryan Braun.

i think the BS about him losing weight to get lighter was b/c he needed an excuse to back up his shrinking. why else would it do it? it's not like he was 'unhealthy' - guy was a beast and played at the highest level possible. now he wants to start messing with his body?

I don't think it is any coincidence that lebron slims down the same year the NBA starts testing for HGH.

and of course, because cleveland...
 
ehlo3 said:
Im convinced this dude was on the juice while in Miami - probably part of the Bosch sting that netted A-Rod and Ryan Braun.

i think the BS about him losing weight to get lighter was b/c he needed an excuse to back up his shrinking. why else would it do it? it's not like he was 'unhealthy' - guy was a beast and played at the highest level possible. now he wants to start messing with his body?

I don't think it is any coincidence that lebron slims down the same year the NBA starts testing for HGH.

and of course, because cleveland...
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The Olympics have the most strict drug testing policy of any sports organization.

Lebron is a 3-time Olympian.

Case closed.
 
I wouldn't give this talk much if thought it came from someone else, but Haynes has the in with Rich Paul..

Could just be LeBron putting pressure on the front office through the media, but there is some credibility with Haynes here.
 
CLEZenith said:
Oh good, more of your ridiculous Blatt hatred and LeBron worship. You do this every once in a while in a thread and throw out something like "Get Blatt the fuck out of here!!!" posts followed up by wildly speculative assertions (that you pass as fact) about Blatt not "connecting with the players/LeBron" and how LeBron's sheer greatness allows him to deem Blatt incongruent with the team.

You know, having a problem with Blatt is a completely valid position. Certainly is. But can you tell what your problem with Blatt is WITHOUT referencing how you THINK it pertains to LeBron's wants? Without referencing Windhorst/Twitter gossip?

Do you have empirical or analytic reasons? Do you not like his X's and O's? (you know, when his system is actually getting run by LeBron?) Do you not like his rotations? Do you have stats to back up your positions? Did you follow his career elsewhere or even watch what he did elsewhere to try and understand what teams running his system are about? Probably not, since, according to you he has "barely scratched the surface of legitimate professional basketball..."

What you offer could barely even be considering a conjectural basis for not liking him. You offer nothing besides improvable emotional statements like he "isn't the player for this team!" "can't connect!" LeBron's greatness is infalliable and he has never misjudged anything. And it's always when the Cavs lose big.

I really enjoy this board, but every once in a while there is a poster who just posts flat out baseless emotional dreck for the sake of it. There's no reasoned approach behind their opinion, it's just nebulous and immeasurable feelings projected loudly. Just because your opinion is loud and bold doesn't mean it's adding any worthy discussion points.
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You read my mind. It's okay to question Blatt here, rightfully so, however people like that lose credibility to me when they just repeat things like "Blatt's horrible, Get him the fuck outta here", etc. Honestly, it sounds like someone in LeBron's camp. Maybe he is!!
 
I think a lot of people "look the other way" when you're talking about some of the greatest players in sports in regards to drugs. Just my opinion...
 
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