Let it all out. The Cavaliers Rant Thread

[czvo]

So it's just completely too much excuse making to acknowledge that right as they were beginning to click, Andy went down for the year, followed shortly by LeBron beginning a stretch of 10+ missed games? Teams that have played together for a few years may be able to handle that but a team in the first third of their season that was almost all new to each other and playing for a first time coach.
Yes, there have absolutely been bad stretches and blundering decisions but how an those be removed 100% from the context and reality of the injuries and newness? And how can you not look at the roster as it will be when LeBron and Shumpert both return and not think that all the tools are there, some of the adversity has been absorbed and learned from, and the depth is shored up.

I have no issue looking back in frustration with some of these stretches but do not understand the fear and doubt about moving forward.



What would make any of the three of them worthless in 2017?
And how are any of them considered "past their prime" when they are all under 30?

Mozgov would be 30
Shumpert 26
JR 31

All three are under contract for next year and we will have bird rights on all three. We can also match any offer Shumpert receives as an RFA this year.

I'd also argue that cumulatively and in a vacuum, the three of them are just as good as Deng and Hawes. Then factor in fit, the talent on the team around them and what they are being asked to do and I think its a far better set of trades than last year. What midseason trade from two years ago were you referring to? Livingston, Speights, and Walton? You can't really think thats a better set of players and circumstances(all three of them were immediately FA's at the end of that year) than the three guys we just got.

On top of that, when talking about the on the floor this season impact, which most of your post was concerned with, we just traded one player Waiters for three players.

The bold is the only part I would disagree with. This team was starting to regress before Andy went down. It started in New Orleans when they put up zero defensive resistance, in a game that Davis only played 8 minutes. Then they struggled to put away Charlotte, even after taking a 21-0 lead. After that it was the Atlanta debacle. They struggled to put away Brooklyn, they took advantage of a Z-Bo-less Grizz, and then played like crap for three quarters against Minnesota. They'd won four of five, but there were very real issues festering just below the surface that were going to come to a head sooner or later. It just so happened that losing Andy was the straw that broke the camel's back (losing James just after that obviously didn't help matters).

I didn't expect the Cavs to win a title even before the season, but I thought I would see a team that competed night in and night out. But you know what I see? I see teams that play the Cavs knowing they can get whatever they want. Teams that love nothing more than punking LeBron, Love and Kyrie. Other teams are sick of hearing about James and the Cavs, especially Kyrie and Love because they've never won anything. They come in and go all out, and the Cavs just let it happen. Who's going to step up for this team and, as Coach Pop once said, bring some nasty?

 

[Simmy]

I still can't believe that loss to the 76ers.

What loss to the 76ers?

 

[NorthCoastBias]

I need to take a break from watching this team. Everything about them is a goddamn disaster. Really thought that this would be a fun season. Instead, it's been nothing but brutal, ugly basketball.

 

[Mr. Orange]

What a fucking train wreck. Thank the Lord I decided against season tickets. Can't imagine watching this crap any longer. I'm checking out til Feb.

 

[tedginnjr]

I think Blatt's worth has been proven without LeBron... dude is lost...

 

[Bob Loblaw]

It's incredible how little we get out of so much of the roster. 6 players combined had 7 points 5 rebounds and 4 assists in the first half against the Kings.

 

[Steve_424]

I didn't think there was any chance Blatt got fired this year. I didn't think we'd be getting drubbed by bottom-dwellers either.

 

[mhi]

For all his shortcomings, you gotta give Mike Brown credit for wringing a middling defense out of last year's roster.

 

[Omar The Horse]

For all his shortcomings, you gotta give Mike Brown credit for wringing a middling defense out of last year's roster.

awww here we go....

I was waiting for a Mike Brown mention.

 

[col63onel]

This team is about to be 19-19 with a 8 game winning streak.

So, take away that streak and we are 11-19. 11-19 was inexcusable for last year's team.

 

[Futuredome]

Hell, the last 30+ games of last season were my favorite since the "The Quit" of 2010. That it should not be.

 

[Chris]

This team is an unmitigated disaster.

 

[BA_CavsFan]

The worst part of this season is that watching basketball just isn't fun anymore. There's so much awesome basketball being played on other teams (Hawks, Warriors, etc.) but I can't enjoy it without being reminded of how terrible the Cavs are playing. I've never seen any other team besides the Cavs in the last 5 years that so often just look so dismayed to play.

 

[Kyrieville]

We traded Wiggins and 1sts for a stat-padding stiff.

We basically traded 3 1sts to unload Jack's contract instead of using the stretch provision on him and releasing our 2nd round picks.

How many times is the ball going to be inbounded to Kyrie and he just brings it up the court and shoots, without even considering passing the ball? Rondo could have been had for next to nothing (a real PG)

 

[jrcross13]

At least last years team was fun to watch. Even in losses, they were close, they competed, they fought. This team has no heart. They have no problem with losing by 30. They are getting paid regardless. screw them.