Malaysia Flight 370 missing

[KCOTT]

How so? How do they pick up the radar?

What are you expecting it to be based on what you've seen so far?

without getting into details, I'll just say via SIGINT

I have no idea what caused the plane to go down. I initially wondered rapid decompression or some sort of pressurization loss, which may have caused the pilots and passengers to become hypoxic and pass out before ever making a distress call, but even that seems highly unlikely. The plane wouldn't just suddenly "disappear." It's on autopilot and would fly for a good while. Foul play seems far-fetched to me, too.

 

[Maximus]

I have a hard time believing it was shot down. It's so easy for nations to pick up fire control radar and make the connection.

Anonymous Pentagon officials have also said that infrasound sensors did not detect any high altitude atmospheric explosions.

 

[natedagg]

Wait so is the leading hypothesis that it was terror related based on the two "stolen" passports or not?

 

[Pyro]

This is clearly just an elaborate promotional stunt for 24.

 

[Maximus]

Wait so is the leading hypothesis that it was terror related based on the two "stolen" passports or not?

Doesn't sound like it, but who know...

Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian

A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought
the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark

The search and rescue mission continues on day 3 for the missing Malaysiasn Airlines plane MH370.
By Arron Merat
10:57PM GMT 10 Mar 2014

The two men travelling on stolen passports on the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that mysteriously
disappeared on Saturday have been identified as Iranian nationals.

A BBC Persian report quotes an Iranian friend of one of the men, who said he hosted the pair in Kuala
Lumpur after they arrived from Tehran in the days preceding their flight to Beijing.

The friend, who knew one of the men from his school days in Iran, said the men had bought the fake
passports because they wanted to migrate to Europe.

The pair were travelling on passports belonging to Christian Kozel, an 30-year-old Austrian, and Luigi
Maraldi, a 37-year-old Italian.

They had bought the passports in Kuala Lumpur as well as tickets to Amsterdam, via Beijing.
One of the Iranian nationals' intended final destination was Frankfurt, where his mother lives, while
the other wanted to travel to Denmark.

The same source that spoke to BBC Persian also emailed CNN with a photograph of him posing with
his two friends in the days before they embarked on their fateful trip.

An editor at BBC Persian told The Telegraph that the two Iranians were “looking for a place to settle”.
Both Malaysia and neighbouring Thailand, where the passports were originally stolen, host large and
established Iranian communities.

US-led sanctions on Iran have plagued the economy and encouraged many young Iranians, who face
high unemployment, to seek ways to travel to Europe, North America or Australia – legally or
illegally.

© Copyright of Telegraph Media G

 

[Nicky]

I need Big Mar to step in.

 

[BlueSeats626]

Wait so is the leading hypothesis that it was terror related based on the two "stolen" passports or not?

Tough to say without any wreckage or debris field.

Had a bomb detonated, there would be a massive debris field relatively close to where the plane was last tracked. That is not the case apparently.

Sitting here as an armchair NTSB investigator, i would venture to guess that the place had some sort of massive electrical failure, attempted to turn back towards KL, and eventually crashed into the water somewhat intact.

That, or aliens.

 

[gourimoko]

Why don't planes have real time data transponders? It's bizarre that with the technology we have today that we are still using those archaic black boxes.

If you're looking for a technological reason, you won't find one. It's quite possible for airlines to send highly-compressed low-bitrate flight data and recordings over satellite transmission.

They simply have made a financial decision not to do so.

 

[Salem]

In general, most pieces of airplanes don't float. Fiberglass/composite pieces might (if broken free from major structures). Usually, the initial signs are pieces of insulation, foam, seat cushion items, and personal items, such as rubber-soled shoes that will float. AF 447 had floating debris found after some days, but they impacted the water at low-speed. I fear this is more likely a steep high-speed impact (confining the debris to a very small area), or a high-altitude severe breakup, which would leave a larger area, but with lower density. Either way, it is not easy to find an airplane in the ocean.

 

[Salem]

Wait so is the leading hypothesis that it was terror related based on the two "stolen" passports or not?

Having pax with stolen passports is not unheard of. http://www.riskandforecast.com/post...d-air-india-plane-had-fake-passports_512.html

 

[gourimoko]

In general, most pieces of airplanes don't float. Fiberglass/composite pieces might (if broken free from major structures). Usually, the initial signs are pieces of insulation, foam, seat cushion items, and personal items, such as rubber-soled shoes that will float. AF 447 had floating debris found after some days, but they impacted the water at low-speed. I fear this is more likely a steep high-speed impact (confining the debris to a very small area), or a high-altitude severe breakup, which would leave a larger area, but with lower density. Either way, it is not easy to find an airplane in the ocean.

Salem, you should post more often.

 

[Damage]

SO now they're saying the 2 men who stole the passports are not suspects anymore. What. the fuck.

 

[The Oi]

Time for a conspiracy theory right Damage?

 

[Chardon]

MH370 detected above Malacca Straits at 2.40am

The search for Malaysian Airlines MH307 plane has been expanded to Sumatran waters, north of Straits of Malacca, as military radar may have detected the missing plane in the vicinity of Pulau Perak.

A Berita Harian report today quoted the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) as saying the plane may have reversed course further than expected while on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Air Force chief Rodzali Daud ( left ) is quoted as saying that based on military radar readings from its station in Butterworth, MH370 may have turned west after Kota Bahru and flew past the east coast and Kedah.

"The last time the plane was detected was near Pulau Perak, in the Straits of Malacca, at 2.40am," Berita Harian quotes Rodzali as saying.

This contradicts with earlier reports that the aircraft had disappeared from radar screens 120 nautical miles off Kota Bharu and over the South China Sea, at 1.30am on March 8.

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) had previously said the search for the Boeing 777-200ER aircraft, which is missing for the fourth day, had previously been focused around the waters between East Malaysia and Vietnam.

Berita Harian also said that military radar noted that the plane was flying about 1,000 metres lower than its original altitude of 10,000 metres after the about turn.

There are 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members on board the plane. Of these, 152 are Chinese nationals, 38 are Malaysians and the rest are from 12 other countries.

Meanwhile, Utusan Malaysia reported that 20,000 fishermen nationwide have been roped in to help in the search-and-rescue operation.

The newspaper quoted Agriculture and Agro-based Industries Minister Ismail Sabri Yaakob as saying that this would involve 1,788 fishing boats around the waters off Kelantan, Terengganu, Perlis, Perak and Penang.

The fishermen were roped in at the request of acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein, Ismail said.


http://my.news.yahoo.com/mh370-detected-above-malacca-straits-2-40am-062617741.html

 

[Chardon]

I need Big Mar to step in.

I'll step in for him:

"Has anyone thought that maybe the passengers of flight MH370 don't want to be found? "

"I saw a plane go over. Then another. And another. Are they all MH370? If so, I can verify it's repeatedly landing and taking off at Cleveland Hopkins Airport."