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Now they're saying the thing was clearly hijacked or had a suicidal pilot and in the air for another 7-1/2 hours...



Missing airliner may have flown on for 7 hours

By Chico Harlan, Ashley Halsey III and Annie Gowen, Updated: Saturday, March 15, 7:55 AM

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said Saturday that a missing passenger jet was steered off course after its communications systems were intentionally disabled and could have potentially flown for seven additional hours.

In the most comprehensive account to date of the plane’s fate, Najib drew an ominous picture of what happened aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, saying investigators had determined there was “deliberate action by someone on the plane.”

Najib said the investigation had “refocused” to look at the crew and passengers. A Malaysia Airlines representative, speaking to relatives of passengers in Beijing, said the Malaysian government had opened a criminal investigation into the plane’s disappearance.

The plane’s whereabouts remain unknown one week after it disappeared from civilian radar shortly after takeoff from Kuala Lumpur. But Najib, citing newly analyzed satellite data, said the plane could have last made contact anywhere along one of two corridors: one stretching from northern Thailand toward the Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border, the other, more southern path stretching from Indonesia to the remote Indian Ocean.

Although U.S. officials previously said they believed the plane could have remained in the air for several extra hours, Najib said Saturday that the flight was still communicating with satellites until 8:11 a.m. — seven and a half hours after takeoff, and more than 90 minutes after it was due in Beijing. There was no further communication with the plane after that time, Najib said. If the plane was still in the air, it would have been nearing its fuel limit.

“Due to the type of satellite data,” Najib said, “we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.”

A U.S. official with knowledge of the investigation on Friday said the only thing the satellite can tell is how much it would need to adjust its antenna to get the strongest signal from the plane. It cannot provide the plane’s exact position or which direction it flew, just how far the plane is, roughly, from the last good data-transmission location when the digital datalink system was actually sending data up to the satellite.

The U.S. official said the search area is somewhere along the arc or circumference of a circle with a diameter of thousands of miles.

The new leads about the plane’s end point, though ambiguous, have drastically changed a search operation involving more than a dozen nations. Malaysia on Saturday said that efforts would be terminated in the Gulf of Thailand and the South China Sea, the spot where the plane first disappeared from civilian radar.

Malaysian authorities are now likely to look for help from other countries in Southeast and South Asia, seeking mysterious or unidentified readings that their radar systems might have picked up.

The plane, based on one potential end point, could have spent nearly all its flight time over the Indian Ocean as it headed to an area west of Australia. But if the plane traveled in the direction of Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan, it would present a more perplexing scenario: that it evaded detection for hours while flying through a volatile region where airspace is heavily monitored: Burma, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan and western China are all in the neighborhood of that path, as is the United States’ Bagram air base, which is in Afghanistan.

“Given the strong radar system that we have, and also that India and other countries in the region have, it’s very difficult for a plane to fly undetected for so long,” said Abid Qaimkhan, a spokesman for Pakistan’s Civil Aviation Authority. He added that Pakistan has not yet been asked by Malaysia to share its radar data, but will provide it if asked.

Malaysia has confirmed that a previously unknown radar trail picked up by its military was indeed MH370. That blip suggests the plane had cut west, across the Malaysian peninsula, after severing contact with the ground. Malaysia received help in analyzing that radar data from the United States’ National Transportation Safety Board, Federal Aviation Administration, and the British Air Accident Investigation Branch.

Malaysian investigators now believe that the Boeing-777 airliner, bound for Beijing with 227 passengers, deliberately cut a series of communications systems as it headed toward the boundary of Malaysian airspace. U.S. officials and aviation experts say the plane could have been hijacked by somebody with aviation knowledge or sabotaged by a crew member.

Investigators have not yet presented a clear scenario of what could have happened on board. Reuters reported that Malaysian police on Saturday searched the home of the plane’s captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, who had more than three decades of commercial flight experience. A senior Malaysian police official refused to confirm the search.

Zaharie had a flight simulator at his home, something that appeared in a YouTube video posted from his unconfirmed YouTube account. Malaysia Airlines chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said Friday that “everyone is free to do their own hobby” and that it isn’t unusual for pilots to have home simulators.

U.S. officials have said that the plane, shortly after being diverted, reached an altitude of 45,000 feet and “jumped around a lot.” But the airplane otherwise appeared to operate normally. Significantly, the transponder and a satellite-based communication system did not stop at the same time, as they would if the plane had exploded, disintegrated or crashed into the ocean.

Najib said Saturday that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, was disabled just as MH370 reached the eastern coast of Malaysia. The transponder was then switched off, Najib said, as the aircraft neared the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace.

According to the Malaysian government, a satellite that tracked the aircraft was located more than 22,000 miles above sea level. Even after the ACARS system was disconnected, the satellite still received some basic signal from the plane — what one U.S. official described as a “handshake.” Though no data was being transmitted, the satellite continued to reach out to the plane on an hourly basis and received confirmation that the plane was still flying.

“There’s no circuit breaker that would allow you to shut off the handshake,” the official said.

That satellite handshake took place on a system operated by Inmarsat, a British satellite company that provides global mobile telecommunications services.

U.S. officials declined to say how closely that handshake allowed them to track the path of the missing plane. But one U.S. official explained that the satellite wasn’t able to read the plane’s exact location or even what direction it flew. Instead, the satellite was able to determine how far the plane had traveled since the last known spot where ACARS was transmitting data. That could explain how Malaysia created two possible arcs where the plane might have traveled.

Najib said Saturday that the search for MH370 had entered a “new phase.” The U.S. Navy, already positioned to the west of the Malaysian peninsula, was planning to meet tonight to discuss whether and how to redeploy its assets, spokesman Cmdr. William Marks said.

Indian officials said Saturday morning that they were still awaiting new orders in response to the Malaysian prime minister’s statement that the official search focus shift from the South China Sea to the two “corridors” west of Malaysia.

“Nothing is certain. These are all probabilities,” said Captain D.K. Sharma, a spokesman for the India Navy. “Let the new orders come. Let’s see how we respond.”

India has now expanded its search from the area around the Andaman and Nicobar Islands — where five vessels and four planes have been deployed — to the north and west, by adding four additional aircraft to scour the massive Bay of Bengal — two P-8I anti-submarine and electronic intelligence planes and three other military aircraft, including a C-130J and two Dorniers. Search teams from the Indian military had spent much of the day Friday searching the jungles on remote islands of the Andaman and Nicobar archipelago, most of which are uninhabited, but so far have come up empty.

Other nations along the Bay of Bengal are now the expanding search as well. Gowher Rizvi, an adviser to Bangladesh’s prime minister Sheikh Hasina, said that country had deployed two aircraft and two frigates in the Bay of Bengal.
 
I also don't get that if somebody hijacked the plane with the intent of a suicide, why would they bother to disable ACARS, the transponder etc. Are you really going to care if they recover the wreckage if you're dead?

That's what's troubling me too. I'm thinking it was hijacked for the purpose of later use. They took it to 45,000 feet to incapacitate everyone, then due to their limited experience they got lost before reaching their final destination and crashed....OR it's safely in a hangar in a Pakistani desert getting prepped to be used for only God knows what.
 
That's what's troubling me too. I'm thinking it was hijacked for the purpose of later use. They took it to 45,000 feet to incapacitate everyone, then due to their limited experience they got lost before reaching their final destination and crashed....OR it's safely in a hangar in a Pakistani desert getting prepped to be used for only God knows what.

This is what I fear. It's been a long time since the incident and the general public has no idea if the plane went North, South, East or West. It just seems like the people in the know, know who has the aircraft and they are purposely putting out misinformation to fool the bad guys into thinking they are clueless. Or on the other hand, it could be that the people in the know are clueless.
 
That's what's troubling me too. I'm thinking it was hijacked for the purpose of later use. They took it to 45,000 feet to incapacitate everyone, then due to their limited experience they got lost before reaching their final destination and crashed....OR it's safely in a hangar in a Pakistani desert getting prepped to be used for only God knows what.

I think the former is more likely. It seems nearly impossible to hide a 777 even in a country like Pakistan. Word would have gotten out somehow. But the thought that the plane could be hidden somewhere hostile is downright frightening.
 
That's what's troubling me too. I'm thinking it was hijacked for the purpose of later use. They took it to 45,000 feet to incapacitate everyone, then due to their limited experience they got lost before reaching their final destination and crashed....OR it's safely in a hangar in a Pakistani desert getting prepped to be used for only God knows what.

So they crashed due to their limited experience, but they were experienced enough to turn off all of the tracking mechanisms? That's possible, but does anyone have an opinion on how realistic that is?
 
So they crashed due to their limited experience, but they were experienced enough to turn off all of the tracking mechanisms? That's possible, but does anyone have an opinion on how realistic that is?

You could figure out how to turn off the tracking mechanisms by watching the news or a youtube video right now.

Maintaining control of a cockpit, flying a plane without using auto-pilot and landing it is an entirely different story.
 
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This keeps getting stranger as more stories comes out.



"Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location"

Zaharie’s co-workers have told investigators the veteran pilot was a social activist who was vocal and fervent in his support of Ibrahim.
‘Colleagues made it clear to us that he was someone who held strong political beliefs and was strident in his support for Anwar Ibrahim,’ another investigation source said. ‘We were told by one colleague he was obsessed with politics.’

In their interviews, colleagues said Zaharie told them he planned to attend the court case involving Anwar on March 7, just hours before the Beijing flight, but investigators had not yet been able to confirm if he was among the crowd of Anwar supporters at court.

Zaharie is believed to be separated or divorced from his wife although they share the same house, close to Kuala Lumpur’s international airport. They have three children, but no family members were at home yesterday: only the maid has remained there.
In the days after Flight MH370 disappeared, Zaharie was affectionately described as a good neighbour and an eccentric ‘geek’ who had a flight simulator at home simply because he loved his work so much."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html
 
Pure speculation because I think it's likely that the plane was hijacked...

It's physically impossible for a plane to fly into space, right? Thats the only other thing I could think of for a plane simply vanishing.
 
Pure speculation because I think it's likely that the plane was hijacked...

It's physically impossible for a plane to fly into space, right? Thats the only other thing I could think of for a plane simply vanishing.

It would blow up before hitting space

The plane was flown to 45,000 ft. to possibly knock out the passengers, so you can imagine what would happen if it kept elevating.
 
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lol @ flying into space.... ohh. my sides hurt... :chuckles:



But anyway, the pilot could easily have landed the plane in Pakistan as Max said. They may or may not know where it is and simply might not be saying where it is. I think the odds are that the plane was deliberately diverted by the pilot to an unknown location and he landed the plane. That's why there is no sign of debris, because the plane did not explode or crash into the ocean.
 
lol @ flying into space.... ohh. my sides hurt... :chuckles:



But anyway, the pilot could easily have landed the plane in Pakistan as Max said. They may or may not know where it is and simply might not be saying where it is. I think the odds are that the plane was deliberately diverted by the pilot to an unknown location and he landed the plane. That's why there is no sign of debris, because the plane did not explode or crash into the ocean.


If they have all these hostages why haven't they been parading them around? That's the only reason why i don't believe in the stolen plane theory. I think they would have beheaded an american on film for fun by now. It does make sense though, and I suspect the US knows exactly what happened and doesn't want to reveal the type of surveillence tech that we have available to us.

And agree, LOL on the jet engines working with no air.
 
If they have all these hostages why haven't they been parading them around? That's the only reason why i don't believe in the stolen plane theory. I think they would have beheaded an american on film for fun by now. It does make sense though, and I suspect the US knows exactly what happened and doesn't want to reveal the type of surveillence tech that we have available to us.

And agree, LOL on the jet engines working with no air.

Because they have bigger plans than the hostages. I feel they needed the plane. The people on board aren't really a concern-- I guess. I feel that this is bigger than a bargaining chip.

The whole thing doesn't make sense, but this is mainly because no group has stated claim to this. Everyday, it's something new. I almost feel like we'll never know. And the fact that a plane can disappear like this, makes it seem that this can be a more common occurrence. Really, it's been 1 week and no solid evidence. We're all running on speculations.

I feel awful for the families of those passengers. The worst thing anyone can go through is that not knowing what happened.
 
I see only one answer for all this:





Space elevator.
 
Not sure how the plane could have ended up in Pakistan- would have required flying through India. Would have to think, at some point, their military would notice something like that going overhead and respond. The last thing I read had the playing going out over the Indian Ocean. The haven't found debris because they spent several days looking in the wrong place. No doubt the plane was intentionally diverted, whether by pilot or hijacking or aliens, but right now based upon where it turned it probably crashed. Finding that wreckage is going to be a plane-sized needle in a several square mile, 2-mile deep watery haystack.
 

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