Matthew Dellavedova

[Randolphkeys]

want to keep Delly, but the "haters" see what I see, lack of ball handling skill which is pretty necessary even for a back up pg.

Call me over specific, but you can't say the guy who finished top 10 in the NBA regular season in assist to turnover ratio has a ball handling issue. Stats don't back it. Did he have turnovers starting against a Golden State team that won over 70 total games this year? Yes. So, a team desperately finding problems as the second best team will identify bench dribble penetration as an area to upgrade.

But be sure, 20+ teams see his defense and efficiency in non-final games and disagree it's a "weakness." It's an area easily hidden with a more diversified bench.

 

[thunder_down_under]

The more your think of the Finals, to me the issue is not that we lacked a PG that could replace Kyrie...what we desperately needed was a PG/SG that could come of the bench and spell Delly. We really had a bench of walking zombies, and the reasonable players went missing either through injury (Schum) or lack of whatever (Smith).

As a consequence, we had to have Delly play high minutes...the problem with this is not that it showed up his weaknesses passing or shooting, it was that it was too taxing physically given that he plays with high energy and effort....but also because he is a second year player and he does not have the physical stamina yet...as he got tired physically later in games and later in the series, the Warriors took advantage

 

[View from afar]

I find the idea that Delly can't run an offence is laughable. Anyone who watched him in his years of college would understand. He was their offence. You'd see him early in games run some stuff that would invariably not come off. But then he would start finding the holes in the defence, find ways through, find weaknesses for both himself but usually for his team-mates. In college, running the offence was his strength.

His coach would let Delly take the floor on timeouts - not just to encourage, but to set up plays, break down defences.

Come to the NBA, sure the defences are better (and perhaps more importantly longer). Delly is expected to come into a team that is primarily set up for others - Kyrie, Lebron. He makes the most of what opportunities he has. The plays with TT were a good example until teams leaned to break them up.

Notice how the offence would start moving when Lebron was off the court and Delly was running it. Notice how Delly would tell Lebron where to cut on certain plays when the defence was overplaying him. It didn't happen often, but when it did it lead to more ball movement. It happened enough to show that Delly reads the game as well as anyone.

 

[BIRD JR]

Bring Patty Mills over cause he would complement both Kyrie and Delly and both Delly and Patty can play some min in sg position when going small ball. Also Patty loves the big game situations

 

[ptw1]

Call me over specific, but you can't say the guy who finished top 10 in the NBA regular season in assist to turnover ratio has a ball handling issue. Stats don't back it. Did he have turnovers starting against a Golden State team that won over 70 total games this year? Yes. So, a team desperately finding problems as the second best team will identify bench dribble penetration as an area to upgrade.

But be sure, 20+ teams see his defense and efficiency in non-final games and disagree it's a "weakness." It's an area easily hidden with a more diversified bench.

if he could handle the ball, LBJ wouldn't had to bring the ball up as much. Heck, even Shump and JR were used to bring the ball up. The great thing about this debate is we'll know who is "right" in a couple days. We'll see starting 7/1 what type of offers those 20+ teams make and if the cavs match. Like I've said, I want him on the team but only as a 5-10 min a game player. I doubt he gets any significant (relative to other backup pgs) offers.

 

[Paul]

For next year's playoffs, it seems like it would really depend on who we are facing and the flow of the game. In some situations maybe Delly would be the ideal point guard, but hopefully we have another option next year that can do some of the things Delly can't. That way Blatt has some flexibility to make adjustments. In some series we may value Delly's toughness, hustle and defense. In others, we may need a guy who can score more easily and get to the foul line, etc. It will depend on the series and injuries but having Delly at our disposal is going to be at least somewhat important IMO. I think you could make a strong case that Delly was more valuable in the finals than either Shumpert or JR, and both of those players may very well be back with the Cavs next season at significantly higher contracts.

Let's hope Delly doesn't get any amazing offers and we can get him back for 2 to 3 mil a year.

Delly also has value simply as another healthy body off the bench. If we deal with injuries again in the playoffs, having a 25 year old guy who can contribute will be a good thing.

 

[thunder_down_under]

For next year's playoffs, it seems like it would really depend on who we are facing and the flow of the game. In some situations maybe Delly would be the ideal point guard, but hopefully we have another option next year that can do some of the things Delly can't. That way Blatt has some flexibility to make adjustments. In some series we may value Delly's toughness, hustle and defense. In others, we may need a guy who can score more easily and get to the foul line, etc. It will depend on the series and injuries but having Delly at our disposal is going to be at least somewhat important IMO. I think you could make a strong case that Delly was more valuable in the finals than either Shumpert or JR, and both of those players may very well be back with the Cavs next season at significantly higher contracts.

Let's hope Delly doesn't get any amazing offers and we can get him back for 2 to 3 mil a year.

Delly also has value simply as another healthy body off the bench. If we deal with injuries again in the playoffs, having a 25 year old guy who can contribute will be a good thing.

$2-3 mill next year is about right, then the higher salary cap and TV rights kick in...I still see Delly at 3/9-12...and at that it is worth it...if only to hear the new PG coming in tell us what a pain in the arse Delly is in practice...love a ring chasing vet PG coming here and having to put up with Delly every day...makes me smile just thinking about it

 

[Randolphkeys]

Maybe Golden State was really, really good at basketball this year.

 

[Lee]

Call me over specific, but you can't say the guy who finished top 10 in the NBA regular season in assist to turnover ratio has a ball handling issue. Stats don't back it. Did he have turnovers starting against a Golden State team that won over 70 total games this year? Yes. So, a team desperately finding problems as the second best team will identify bench dribble penetration as an area to upgrade.

But be sure, 20+ teams see his defense and efficiency in non-final games and disagree it's a "weakness." It's an area easily hidden with a more diversified bench.

Blatt (or whomever you want to credit) was smart enough to take the ball out of his hands more often than your typical pg. When pressured, he would lose the ball. And a reason he didn't get allot of turnovers is he knew he couldn't penetrate.

Look, no one is calling for Delly to be a starting pf, atleast I hope not, so for sure he has some deficiencies, I just feel we need to add a 3rd pg with quickness who can penetrate. it was something we were missing on the bench for sure and was a reason Lebron had to play 46 mins a game in the finals once our starting pg went down.

 

[TitleTown]

Blatt (or whomever you want to credit) was smart enough to take the ball out of his hands more often than your typical pg. When pressured, he would lose the ball. And a reason he didn't get allot of turnovers is he knew he couldn't penetrate.

Look, no one is calling for Delly to be a starting pf, atleast I hope not, so for sure he has some deficiencies, I just feel we need to add a 3rd pg with quickness who can penetrate. it was something we were missing on the bench for sure and was a reason Lebron had to play 46 mins a game in the finals once our starting pg went down.

No, it was NOT the reason LeBron had to play 46 mins a game in the finals.

LBJ played 46 because:

(1) We had no floor spacing big-men when he was off the court.

(2) We only had 7 rotation players worth getting minutes, one of whom was James Jones.

(3) We did not have a backup 3.

(4) He was the anchor of our defense against the best offensive team in the league.

All of those are bigger reasons why he played 46 minutes than a 3rd PG.

 

[Lee]

No, it was NOT the reason LeBron had to play 46 mins a game in the finals.

LBJ played 46 because:

(1) We had no floor spacing big-men when he was off the court.

(2) We only had 7 rotation players worth getting minutes, one of whom was James Jones.

(3) We did not have a backup 3.

(4) He was the anchor of our defense against the best offensive team in the league.

All of those are bigger reasons why he played 46 minutes than a 3rd PG.

James Jones can play the 3 along with JR and Shump.

Once Irving went down, we no longer had a play maker that could get his own offense and set up others outside of Lebron.

Its ok, I like Delly, but he is more of a 3-D sg than pg quite frankly and we missed a more pure PG in addition to Delly

 

[TheOnlyATN]

Irving: 0-1 VS Curry in the finals
Delly: 2-3 VS Curry in the finals (which apparently includes him playing while injured)

Haters are smoking something.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

if he could handle the ball, LBJ wouldn't had to bring the ball up as much. Heck, even Shump and JR were used to bring the ball up. The great thing about this debate is we'll know who is "right" in a couple days. We'll see starting 7/1 what type of offers those 20+ teams make and if the cavs match. Like I've said, I want him on the team but only as a 5-10 min a game player. I doubt he gets any significant (relative to other backup pgs) offers.

For the most part this past season. LBJ didn't seem exactly unwilling to bring the ball up and initiate the offense. In fact, he very often seemed to prefer that. If he ended up having second thoughts, then next season would be an excellent time for him to dial back on that a bit.

 

[ajz20]

Irving: 0-1 VS Curry in the finals
Delly: 2-3 VS Curry in the finals (which apparently includes him playing while injured)

Haters are smoking something.

Irving had a hell of a game playing hurt (we easily and should have wonegame 1), and we would have won it all if he was 100 percent. One of the worst posts I have ever seen.

 

[Lee]

Irving: 0-1 VS Curry in the finals
Delly: 2-3 VS Curry in the finals (which apparently includes him playing while injured)

Haters are smoking something.

Good point.

Harrison Barnes is 4-2 as the starting sf against Lebron.

So by your logic Harrison Barnes > Lebron.

Lets hope management doesn't do something stupid and lock Lebron up long term when players like Barnes are clearly better than him.

PS. In case you are as stupid as your post, I was using sarcasm.