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Minimum Wage Increase: Support or Oppose ?

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Do you support the attempt to increase the minimum wage to 15$ ?


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yes and truck drivers get replaced by robots and computers control all the road systems.

Im not sure what impact this has on minimum wage which in either scenario should be 90% of the poverty level for a family of four

My point is simply that are those people working the minimum wage jobs better off with machines replacing them? Where do they go to get better work?

That's not necessarily a bad thing. People fear innovation and machines taking their jobs, but they actually benefit the economy.

I remember hearing an economist speak one time about the telephone operator. At one point, every call you made had to be physically connected by a human operator. They thought the machines coming in would mean fewer jobs and terrible for the economy. Well the machines came in and took over and a lot of operators lost their jobs, but at the same time more jobs were created and the phone industry grew. Technology is not a bad thing for jobs. Looking back, it would have been foolish to try to save the phone operator's job, or the wooden wheel maker when rubber tires came around, or Paul Bunyan and Babe when that guy with a chainsaw and train came to town.

I see the same thing here. Yeah, an $8/hr employee is no longer needed, but now you have manufacturing, design, engineering, software programming, and maintenance of these machines. Someone has to manage the user experience too. You probably create more and better jobs. That guy who was fucking up your order now has to gain new employment skills.

This is a good point (that better jobs are created to make the machines), I'm just not sold that the minimum wage worker will develop those skills.

It would be good if we had more blue collar workers looking to work in the manufacturing industry. I currently work as an engineer for a manufacturer of steel products and we have a hard time finding people who actually want to do the work. No experience is required and starting wages are about $18/hr. It is relatively physically demanding labor, the environment is very warm, etc. It's not a fun job, but if someone is having trouble getting by on $8/hr for entering orders at McDonald's, it would be a large step up in pay.

Unless the minimum wage workers are willing to do this type of "dirty" work, I'm not seeing them developing the skills for similar paying jobs that require the educational background (i.e. engineering, business, accounting) to obtain them.
 
Technology is eventually going to replace a lot of jobs. But is technology moving faster than humans can progress ? I feel like @ the rate that technology is progressing nearly 60% of all jobs can be auto-mated but humans are not progressing fast enough to adjust to this changing climate.
 
I was having this discussion at work with a coworker and wanted to get RCF's view. IS the below story and issue of not having a high enough min wage, or people who do not have self control and take personal responsibly.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/07/news/economy/working-poor/index.html?iid=EL

Many of these folks are employed in fast food and retail, butthey are also home health care workers, pre-school teachers and waitresses, said Sarah Halpern-Meekin, an assistant professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who co-wrote"It's Not Like I'm Poor," a new book on struggling working families. Since their hours often fluctuate, many of these low-wage workers also are subject to great shifts in income each week.

Years ago, low-wage workers were usually teenagers looking to make a few extra bucks. Now, these workers are in their 30s, on average, and provide more than half of their family's income, Jacobs said. And more are educated, with a growingnumber having attended college and somewithbachelor's degrees.

Related: It's expensive to be poor

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Jemaire Steward works, but his family is still facing eviction.
Jemaire Steward, 37, is the sole breadwinner for his wife and two young sons, ages 3 and 1. His work schedule varies between 0 and 70 hours a week as a chef at a casual seafood restaurant in the Washington D.C. area, where he makes $10.10 an hour. He is also on call at other restaurants in hopes of securing another paycheck.

Still, his wildly erratic hours left him making only $8,000 last year, he said. His family receives food stamps and Medicaid and is facing eviction from their one-bedroom apartment in Northeast D.C. He has applied unsuccessfully for jobs at hospitals, hotels and other eateries, hoping to get a higher wage and full-time hours. But employers balk when he asks for $15 an hour, he said.

Related: These workers are striking for $15 an hour

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Even with two incomes, Melinda Robinson and her husband don't earn enough.
Even having two workingparents isn't enough tolift some families out of poverty.

Melinda Robinson and her husband, Romero, both have jobs. He works full-time as a cabinet builder for a small business, taking home about $1,000 a month after taxes. She works part-time at Taco Bell for $9 an hour.

Together, she estimates the couple made about $27,000 last year, which wasn't enough to support their six young children solely through their wages. They receive $825 a month in food stamps, and she and the children are on public health insurance. The family also received a tax refund, which included an Earned Income Tax Credit worth about $9,500, which went toward buying beds and clothes for the kids and catching up on their monthly rent.

"We are working Americans and we deserve so much better," said Robinson, 38, from Kansas City, Missouri. "We all deserve a livable wage."
 
I was having this discussion at work with a coworker and wanted to get RCF's view. IS the below story and issue of not having a high enough min wage, or people who do not have self control and take personal responsibly.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/07/news/economy/working-poor/index.html?iid=EL
It's a double edged sword unfortunately. Raising min wage might help a few people but then it will hurt the others who are let go or aren't hired because the businesses can't afford it. Some businesses will look at alternatives to replace employees (I.e kiosks). The only way raising min wage works is if the economy picks up.
 
The fact that we are even considering this just means that this economy is fucked anyway.
 
Can anyone let me know how a family of even 8 can't get by on $825/mo in free money for food? Not even a dick question, but serious. They may have some infants, which would cost more, but spending a little over $200/wk on groceries seems doable for 8. You can't get all food-stampy happy and get steaks and crab legs (which a lot of abusers do) but the main essentials in fruit/veggies, bread, meat and potatoes, stuff for sandwiches, sides should be plenty.

And I know some people may disagree for different reasons, but if you aren't financially set, why have 6 children? They are great and Gods gift to earth, but if you can't give them a safe, healthy life, you should of considered before popping out more than you can handle.
 
The TPP will send more jobs out of this country and lead to more 30 somethings competing for minimum wage work.
 
Can anyone let me know how a family of even 8 can't get by on $825/mo in free money for food? Not even a dick question, but serious. They may have some infants, which would cost more, but spending a little over $200/wk on groceries seems doable for 8. You can't get all food-stampy happy and get steaks and crab legs (which a lot of abusers do) but the main essentials in fruit/veggies, bread, meat and potatoes, stuff for sandwiches, sides should be plenty.

And I know some people may disagree for different reasons, but if you aren't financially set, why have 6 children? They are great and Gods gift to earth, but if you can't give them a safe, healthy life, you should of considered before popping out more than you can handle.
Agreed. Nobody forced you to have kids.
 
Can anyone let me know how a family of even 8 can't get by on $825/mo in free money for food? Not even a dick question, but serious. They may have some infants, which would cost more, but spending a little over $200/wk on groceries seems doable for 8. You can't get all food-stampy happy and get steaks and crab legs (which a lot of abusers do) but the main essentials in fruit/veggies, bread, meat and potatoes, stuff for sandwiches, sides should be plenty.

And I know some people may disagree for different reasons, but if you aren't financially set, why have 6 children? They are great and Gods gift to earth, but if you can't give them a safe, healthy life, you should of considered before popping out more than you can handle.

People could easily get by on the allotted food allowance. Pasta is cheap. Bananas/apples are cheap. Hamburger is cheap enough. Chicken breasts are pretty cheap. Water is free.

A lot of people have multiple kids because of the financial incentives involved... nice EITC, increase in food card allowance, TANF, WIC etc.
 
The TPP will send more jobs out of this country and lead to more 30 somethings competing for minimum wage work.

Smart man.

I hope you'll continue to remember who the corporatists are who are driving this forward.

And just so that we're all on the same page, the TPP would save my business tens of thousands of dollars in fees and taxes. I still oppose it. It would be bad for America, and ultimately bad for all of us in the long run.
 
Agreed. Nobody forced you to have kids.

Totally agree. It's why we really should be teaching our kids about birth control, provide readily available and free contraceptives, and stop limiting women's access to abortions.

Once they have that kid, he/she is an American child, a baby, so now the ethical responsibility is on us as a society to ensure their well-being.
 
Totally agree. It's why we really should be teaching our kids about birth control, provide readily available and free contraceptives, and stop limiting women's access to abortions.

Once they have that kid, he/she is an American child, a baby, so now the ethical responsibility is on us as a society to ensure their well-being.
I agree with this. I find it annoying how schools try to scare kids away from having sex. How about just fucking teach them proper birth control measures? So many things you can do (other than abstinence) to prevent a baby from coming out.
 
I agree with this. I find it annoying how schools try to scare kids away from having sex. How about just fucking teach them proper birth control measures? So many things you can do (other than abstinence) to prevent a baby from coming out.

I'm of the mind that schools should scare kids away from sex - but simultaneously and vigorously tell them IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS then you MUST USE A CONDOM AND YOU MUST USE BIRTH CONTROL!!!!

School nurses should be able to dispense birth control, and this shouldn't require parental consent. I know that sounds insanely controversial, but it teaches young women (teenagers) that they control their sexuality and their bodies and no one else. Thus, it is solely their responsibility to decide, by thought out decision, when best to have a child.
 
I'm of the mind that schools should scare kids away from sex - but simultaneously and vigorously tell them IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS then you MUST USE A CONDOM AND YOU MUST USE BIRTH CONTROL!!!!

School nurses should be able to dispense birth control, and this shouldn't require parental consent. I know that sounds insanely controversial, but it teaches young women (teenagers) that they control their sexuality and their bodies and no one else. Thus, it is solely their responsibility to decide, by thought out decision, when best to have a child.
That's what they are doing, and it doesn't work. How can you expect a high school student (or younger) to seriously ask their parents (or school admins) for some form of birth control, when at the same time they are being taught how bad sex is?
 
That's what they are doing, and it doesn't work. How can you expect a high school student (or younger) to seriously ask their parents (or school admins) for some form of birth control, when at the same time they are being taught how bad sex is?

I totally agree, kids should have open access to birth control, condoms, and abortion.

My only point is that schools should teach kids not to have sex, while simultaneously teaching them everything about sex. They should be taught about sexuality very openly, but they should also be discouraged from "making up their own minds."

Instead, almost like teaching citizenship or ethics, they should be taught that sex at a young age is not only 'bad', but idiotic, foolish, and if needs be, unethical and simply undesirable.

I say this because sex is not something teenagers should be having, and I say this as someone who has been sexuality active since I was, well, way way too young.. I've got 3 kids because I couldn't keep my dick in my pants and it caused me to take time off school, get a job, and play house with women I had no business being with.

Abstinence is often looked down upon, but it has an important role; especially for women.

I think we need both approaches to have some measure of success in reducing teen pregnancy rates.
 

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