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Arrow is all about graphically stabbing people with swords the past couple seasons. All of Oliver Queen's family members have been murdered by swords to the chest. Is Daredevil as graphic?
Daredevil has a knack of making you feel the hits. The combat seems at alot higher pace than the first season of arrow.
both shows utilize concurrent flashback storylines which both utilize to good effect.
Dardevils first season seemed more about explaining why he needed a super suit than anything.
I just dont see the "dark" part. Arrow is definately much more of an antihero than Daredevil at this point.

but Flash wouldnt be any more pleased with Daredevil as he was when he actually got to see arrow at work.

Daredevil has the advantage of having a veteran showrunner who made 7 years of killing vampires interesting at the helm. Daredevils fight scenes are a bit more grittier.
 
I just dont see the "dark" part. Arrow is definately much more of an antihero than Daredevil at this point.

Daredevil being dark has nothing to do with Daredevil himself. As far as I can tell, he only kills one guy the entire season, and that was in self-defense. It has to do with how violent the show is in general compared to Arrow. The scene where the Kingpin kills the Russian guy with his car door in episode four or five is significantly darker and more violent than anything I've seen in Arrow.
 
Daredevil being dark has nothing to do with Daredevil himself. As far as I can tell, he only kills one guy the entire season, and that was in self-defense. It has to do with how violent the show is in general compared to Arrow. The scene where the Kingpin kills the Russian guy with his car door in episode four or five is significantly darker and more violent than anything I've seen in Arrow.

I watched that scene. Yeah, I'll give you that. I am going to start Daredevil tonight or tomorrow.

May need to watch a few episodes of The Flash afterward to cleanse the palate.
 
Cant remember if ive already commented on it but the fight choreography in Daredevil is some of the best on TV ever ep 2 corridor fight scene particularly is amazing
 
I just dont consider graphic violence on its own as "darker" . perhaps ive been desensitized with shows like Shameless, Shield, Walking dead,breaking bad, etc

The Kingpin is certainly a dark character but bad guys being dark is the standard although the page girl certainly does have some potential.

Arrow on the other hand has had to choose to let someone die. He has had to sacrifice people to survive. He started out as much a killer as any of the Villians on the show. Much of the misfortune he runs into is linked to something he did in his past.Like Daredevil he has no qualms about torturing people to get information and he will temporaily ally himself with people who have done him or others wrong if it will help him come out on top.

Hell you have a guy who hypnotizes his own daughter to kill somebody.

Daredevil and other superhero shows on cable and netflix will be more graphic and mature. but nots let act like the network shows is the superhero version of candyland
 
Daredevil and other superhero shows on cable and netflix will be more graphic and mature. but nots let act like the network shows is the superhero version of candyland

You seem to be attempting to counter an argument that no one has made.
 
I'm actually midway through the first season of Arrow right now. I'd say I would have to choose Daredevil over it based on the ten episodes I've watched of Arrow. It's a decent show, but you can tell the CW made it. Everyone in this show looks like they stepped out of an Abercrombie ad. It's not a bad show or anything, but I think Daredevil was a lot more interesting, dark, and coherent.

Arrow, thus far, seems quite a bit less serialized than Daredevil. Yeah, they've got the plot with the list carried over from episode to episode, but by and large each episode deals with a different villain and is mostly self-contained from the other episodes. Daredevil, on the other hand, largely tells one story over the course of its first season. I greatly prefer serialized television over "monster of the week" style storytelling (which is prominent on network television).

One thing I really liked about Daredevil was how they focused on the physical and mental toll getting beat up every night took on Daredevil. He gets his ass kicked a lot on that show, even in the fights he wins. There are a couple of episodes that are focused on him recovering from said ass kickings.

Daredevil also gives equal time (at least in later episodes) to the Kingpin, and paints him as an interesting, deep villain with realistic motives and willing to do terrible things to accomplish them, all the while telling himself that he's the good guy trying to redeem his city. I haven't seen that at all from Arrow yet. All the villains are pretty much just evil for the sake of being evil, and the show doesn't spend enough time on them to give them any depth.

And yes, Daredevil is very dark. Much darker than Arrow. The body count in the first season alone was pretty staggering, especially since none of Netflix's brief promos really gave us much idea what to expect from the show. If you haven't read the Bendis run on Daredevil, or Frank Miller's "Man Without Fear" trade (you should definitely read both, by the way), that's about what you can expect from the show. The best non-Daredevil comparison I can come up with is some of the darker Batman stuff, like the Arkham video games. The main difference is that Matt Murdock is a lot more likable as a character than Bruce Wayne has ever been.

So yeah...watch Daredevil. It's a pretty good show.
Looks like you did.
If you stopped watching Arrow after season 1 you did yourself a disservice because like the 100 the series fully validates itself.
 
Looks like you did.
If you stopped watching Arrow after season 1 you did yourself a disservice because like the 100 the series fully validates itself.

I haven't stopped watching Arrow. I just started watching it a few days ago and, as such, have yet to finish season one or get beyond that. Never once in my post did I say I was going to stop watching Arrow.
 
I haven't stopped watching Arrow. I just started watching it a few days ago and, as such, have yet to finish season one or get beyond that. Never once in my post did I say I was going to stop watching Arrow.
Well your in for some solid entertainment. If you get through season three and still feel the same about the show ill change my avatar to whatever you choose
 
I enjoyed Daredevil. Just finished last night. Annoying that hes another thou shalt not kill even when facing total human trash type of hero. But still liked it.
 
I enjoyed Daredevil. Just finished last night. Annoying that hes another thou shalt not kill even when facing total human trash type of hero. But still liked it.

What I thought was funny was that he totally killed that Japanese ninja guy and they just totally glossed over it. I mean, I know it was self-defense and the guy would have killed him, but they just pretended it never happened.

I do think in general the lack of killing makes sense for Daredevil's character, as the whole Catholic guilt thing is just a part of his persona. In the comics, though, one of his best moments is when he has a chance to save Bullseye and just lets him fall.

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Jack:

How did he kill the ninja guy though? The dude was sitting in a puddle of flammable liquid or whatever and started whipping his chain thing and it hit the light and caused a spark, right? I don't see how that was Daredevils doing. He basically outlasted him.

Did I miss something?
 
Jack:

How did he kill the ninja guy though? The dude was sitting in a puddle of flammable liquid or whatever and started whipping his chain thing and it hit the light and caused a spark, right? I don't see how that was Daredevils doing. He basically outlasted him.

Did I miss something?

I thought Daredevil threw something to hit the light above him and cause the sparks.

Maybe I'm wrong? Will have to re-watch.
 
Anyone watch Black Sails? Trying to figure out if it is worth watching or not.
 
Anyone watch Black Sails? Trying to figure out if it is worth watching or not.

I just watched both seasons the weekend of the season finale a few weeks ago. I loved the series. Looking forward to season 3.
 

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