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Next year might not be so bad for Tribe
By Sheldon Ocker
Beacon Journal staff writer

POSTED: 05:36 p.m. EDT, Oct 03, 2009

BOSTON: Nobody wants to confront grim reality, but sometimes it's unavoidable. So how bad will the Indians be next year?

Forty wins? How about 55? Do I hear 60? The perception is that 2010 will be the ideal season for all but the most hard-core fans to turn an apathetic ear to the Tribe.

Many fans — some of my personal acquaintance — say they would rather spend the summer mowing their lawns in the middle of a swarm of bees rather than pay attention to Northeast Ohio's favorite baseball team.

''Let me know when they have some guys worth watching,'' is the impression I get, and those are the fans who have put aside their anger over the trades of Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez.

Worth watching is the operative phrase, of course. In this age of instant gratification, a lengthy baseball season often merits the interest of the masses only if the payoff at the end is a championship or at least a serious run.

That's not my view, but I watch baseball for a living, so I don't count. And maybe I overvalue the enjoyment of following a work in progress. Now there's another buzz word: progress. Will the Indians next year be a club that progresses from bad to something more proficient?

I think so. In fact, this team might surprise the sporting public. Many of the pieces already are in place to make next season ''interesting.'' That is not to say the Tribe will challenge for a Central Division title.

But another 90-plus loss season shouldn't happen. It could, of course, if young players are slow to develop, and if injuries strike down key members of the roster. I know this will sound crazy, but the Tribe might win more than half its games. Eighty-two wins is not out of the question.

I understand finishing with two more wins than losses is not a reason to hold a ticker-tape parade down Euclid Avenue. Nobody is likely to ask Mark Shapiro to run for mayor if his team ekes out a plus-.500 season. But remember, I was talking about progress.

Increasing their win total by 15-20 would be an indisputable sign that the Indians are on the right track. But is it reasonable to predict the team can make that steep climb into the realm of the average? Here's how, and keep in mind I'm not making any guarantees.

Travis Hafner should be totally recovered from last year's shoulder surgery that turned his season into one long spring training camp. If Hafner can't return to being a 30-home run, 100-RBI slugger next year, he probably never will. However, I don't know any reason why he can't do that.

His presence in the middle of the lineup is crucial to the offense, as is Grady Sizemore scoring 100 runs, hitting 20 home runs and stealing 25 bases as the leadoff hitter (and that's where he should bat). Keep in mind his numbers plummeted this year, because he played every game with two injuries that have been surgically repaired.

We can assume by now that Asdrubal Cabrera is a legitimate big-time player. That is, he is a solid shortstop who can make the special play, and he has the kind of makeup that turns him into a lethal hitter when it counts most.

Shin-Soo Choo is dedicated to being the best player he can be. Better yet, he has the tools to accomplish his goals. He can throw, run and hit. Of all the players on the roster, his production might be the most predictable and consistent.

These four players form the heart of the lineup; they must perform, and they probably will. Abetting them will be the dilemma. Will Matt LaPorta keep developing as a run producer in his first full season in the big leagues? Will Michael Brantley fulfull his promise as a guy capable of delivering a .400 on-base percentage or something close to it?

Both of these rookies look like the real deal, but the maturation process might take two or three years. While they continue to learn, they need to make positive contributions, starting in 2010.

Luis Valbuena made incremental improvements in his game all season. That gently-sloped curve should persist next year.

That leaves Jhonny Peralta and the catcher, probably Lou Marson. What do we know about Marson? Not much, except that he might be the guy who holds down the catching position until Carlos Santana is ready to make his big-league debut, sometime in 2010 or early in 2011.

We know a lot about Peralta. He will play third at the same level of expertise that he played shortstop, and he will produce these approximate numbers: 20 homers, 70 RBI, .270 average. The problem is the same as it's always been: How did he get there?

This is hardly an offense that can rival the 1995 Indians, but it can produce enough runs if the pitching is solid. So what about the rotation?

Nobody who will compete for a job as a starter has the ability to be an ace, except Fausto Carmona. How's that for a comforting thought? Carmona has the talent to win 20 games, but he has to be in control of his emotions. His adrenaline can't erupt every time a teammate makes an error or he walks two batters in a row.

There is nothing wrong with Carmona that a couple of beers wouldn't cure (adminstered intravenously, of course, about the time the national anthem is sung), but that's not the way it's done in baseball. Some day Carmona will be a No. 1 starter, No. 2 at worst. Will he still be with the Indians by then? It might take three years, but it might be in 2010.

Aaron Laffey has proven he can be a winner, and Jeremy Sowers rebounded from two awful seasons. Justin Masterson has a great arm; his pitches move at angles that seem to defy physics. But can he be an effective starter? I'm not sure.

Jake Westbrook will be coming off Tommy John elbow surgery. He'll be fine — once he remembers how to pitch again. That might take three months; maybe not. Rookie David Huff had an up-and-down season and still won 11 games. Thankfully, he did not have a bravura season, one that might induce him to think pitching in the majors isn't as hard as he thought.

Carlos Carrasco might not be ready to step into a major-league rotation, but if he returns to Triple-A, he will give the Indians starting depth. They'll probably need it. And since there will be at least seven contenders for the rotation, he won't be the only one in danger of opening the season in the minors.

This year's relievers contributed most to the team's early demise. That could happen again, but the bullpen has the arms to be successful: closer Kerry Wood, Chris Perez, Tony Sipp, Joe Smith. I predict that Jensen Lewis and Rafael Perez will be models of consistency in 2010.

A plus-.500 season is a conceivable outcome. But it's only a first step. It's easier to go from 65 wins to 82 than it is to go from 82 wins to 95. But that's a problem for another year.
 
There's always next year.

I like the possibility of this team, on offense at least. It looks like they will have a lot more team speed, which is a change from every other Indians team that I can remember.
 
Can't see myself watching, they trade away everyone and we're supposed to be enthused?
 
Can't see myself watching, they trade away everyone and we're supposed to be enthused?

I'm enthused, we finally get rid of the anchor around the legs of this team known as Eric Wedge. We have some young talent, now lets see what a new manager can do with it.
 
Can't see myself watching, they trade away everyone and we're supposed to be enthused?

Would you care if they won consistently?

My guess is no, and it is achievable if the GM and Manager both do their jobs well.
 
I have no hope for next season. I am waiting on 2011 to be the year I start to see some good things happening.
 
So, SOcker thinks that if everything goes perfectly, we can win 82 games? And I'm supposed to be happy with that???
 
Can't see myself watching, they trade away everyone and we're supposed to be enthused?

The ONLY way, and I mean the ONLY way for small market teams to survive nowadays is to do what Shapiro does. This ain't the 50's or 60's anymore. The Indians scouts have to be very very good in order for this team to be successful. Draft/obtain prospects, develop prospects, play prospect, trade player for more prospects to develop. It's not like we don't want to keep the top notch players.
 
Sheldon? He rarely writes a full article that I can agree with.

He states that Sizemore SHOULD BE leading off.

NO HE SHOULD NOT. Period. What exactly do some people not understand about that? Heck; even if Brantley never existed, I would still want Sizemore batting 3 or 5, NOT 1.

He also states that rookies need two or three years before we know if they are legit? Oh really? So that means Cabrera and Choo have not proven anything either? Please.

The new Manager coming in won't see things like some fans see things.... hopefully.
 
Enthused probably isn't the word for it. Optimistic would be a better one. And the optimism should apply more to 2011 than 2010.

Sheldon broke the talent down pretty well for the most part.

There's the known impact players:
Choo
Asdrubal
Grady

The known suspect players:
Hafner
Peralta

The promising youngsters:
LaPorta
Valbuena
Brantley

And the seemingly sure-thing minor leaguer:
Santana

And with Cliff Lee gone... a pitching staff full of question marks, potential and risks.

The line-up could use a little more power for certain, but there are teams who are successful with a bunch of guys hitting 15-20HR's per year rather than three or four hitting 25-30.

Once you accept the reality that the Indians are going to have to take a different strategy to contend than the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Cubs and Dodgers of the world there's plenty of reason to be optimistic about 2011.
 
Pitching, Pitching, Pitching, and we have lots of it but no top tier talent.
 
Nah, they're gonna suck for the next couple of years... Luckily for them, nobody else looks like they're really any good here...

Not sure what the new stadium will do for the Twins ? They seem pretty set in their ways (and they do a good job developing)-- so I don't know if they will be bigger spenders in the next couple of seasons..Mauer is going to command huge money, otherwise he'll be a Yankee... Plus, they seem to have players that cater to their home park right now, so I'm not sure how a grass stadium work for these guys ?

The White Sox and Tigers are getting older, but each team has a true ace (Verlander, Peavy)

Royals are probably still the worst..

Indians need to get a run producer or two.. They don't have any front of the rotation type of pitchers.. The bullpen (Chris Perez excluded) is just terrible... I would just like to see this team play more of a National League style brand of ball like the Red Sox/Angels do...Hopefully the new manager can really get the most out of the roster..
 
I just don't see myself paying too much attention to the Indians next year. I didn't watch a complete game all this season. They gave me no reason to be enthused about next year. I've been an Indians fan since I was 6, (40 now). I remember going up to the old stadium when there were 1200 people there for a game on the weekend. I ALWAYS looked forward to Spring Training and the start of the season, but that feeling is gone. And until they show me something I don't see that feeling coming back. Thats not being a fair weather fan, its more protecting my sanity from the shit that Cleveland Indians baseball has become. My God I watch the Browns every weekend, so my Fall and Winter is full of pain. They want me to ruin my Summer too?

Thank God for the Cavs.
 
Sheldon? He rarely writes a full article that I can agree with.

He states that Sizemore SHOULD BE leading off.

NO HE SHOULD NOT. Period. What exactly do some people not understand about that? Heck; even if Brantley never existed, I would still want Sizemore batting 3 or 5, NOT 1.

He also states that rookies need two or three years before we know if they are legit? Oh really? So that means Cabrera and Choo have not proven anything either? Please.

The new Manager coming in won't see things like some fans see things.... hopefully.

I don't understand this obsession with moving Sizemore. If you can find an adequate leadoff man I guess he could move to third, but he is a great leadoff man in his own right.
 
I don't understand this obsession with moving Sizemore. If you can find an adequate leadoff man I guess he could move to third, but he is a great leadoff man in his own right.

So can Brantley. While lineups mean very little, Sizemore would have a much better chance at being more productive in the 3 hole, surrounded by actual hitters, than the 1 hole, where he has very little run producing chances.

I'm in favor of moving Sizemore to the three hole and putting Brantley in the lead off spot. None of this matters, however, if the Indians cannot find a decent pitching staff.
 

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