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Obama to cut medical benefits for active/retired military, but not union workers

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And also, the military fucking sucks for anyone who doesn't know. For the ground pounders, aside from the possibility of getting killed any day that you work (be it actually in battle, or joe smuckatelli flagging you with his armed rifle), most of the times your quality of life sucks, too and you get paid shit to work long hours. I don't know how my two younger brothers do it. They're enlisted and I probably make twice the amount they do and they probably do just as much, if not more work. Maybe my brother will post here and you can ask him personally. I've only done 3.5 years so far, but I have a hard time seeing myself doing anything past my 10 year commitment. I have a cool job, but the long hours, constant studying, dealing with bullshit, constant moving, being away from family, doing more than what you actually get paid for really starts to take its toll. Especially since I know I can take my TS clearance and million dollars in flight training and run away with it and make twice the amount I make now in the civilian/private sector. Contract flying pays a ridiculous amount of money in Afghanistan. And who knows if I'll even get the opportunity to reach the highly acclaimed 20 year mark. More and more people are being let go, not because they suck or anything, but because that's how the economy is and we just don't have the money to retain everyone.

Point that I'm trying to make, is that people who actually reach 20 years fucking deserve the perks that go along with it. And the double-dipping, triple-dipping phrases, aka shit I've never heard of used in this context is absolutely absurd. You're telling me if you put all that time into this country, and when it was all said and done, you wouldn't turn over your military uniform to a civilian uniform the same way that they do? It's like that one interview I saw on youtube where a CEO asked an Occupy Wall Street protester, "Wouldn't you want to be part of the 1%?" and the protester kind of froze before eventually saying yes. Not saying that the military is the 1% or anything, but if given the same circumstances you would do the same thing. It would be stupid to throw away all those years and not take advantage of it. If it seems unfair, well guess what, you also had the very same opportunity to do the same thing that guy did.

20 years is a tough plateau to reach. It's not as easy as just waiting it out and eventually you'll get there. For me, 20 years means I went on 2-3 deployments during my JO tour, 1 during my disassociated sea tour, 1-2 during my department head tour, 1-2 during my XO tour, and possibly 1-2 if I made CO. That's only a potential 60 months of deployment, or essentially 5 years that I missed out on being in the U.S. or with my family. And for someone in a more dangerous area of the military than myself, who even knows if you survive those first few deployments.

So yeah, 20 years of pain in the ass work, potentially 5 of it not even in the U.S., shit pay for the first half of it (comparatively speaking), the potential to be killed, long hours you'll never get back, being separated from your family, numerous missed holidays and birthdays, you definitely deserve something when it's all said and done. So in a nutshell, raising the costs of health care, especially when there are literally MILLIONS that can be cut elsewhere within the DOD is a little ridiculous.

Start with getting rid of the fucking F-22's we don't need.

Great post. After I read it and I kind of sat there and questioned my own goals I have set for myself, and if they are really worth it and what I want to do with my life, and if it is even feasible. Usually the sign of a good post.
 
Next on the chopping block are those ridiculously extravagant military pensions everyone seems to have. /sarcasm
 
Next on the chopping block are those ridiculously extravagant military pensions everyone seems to have. /sarcasm

There was a discussion a few months back about changing the military retirement system. The reaction was strong to that, so it was pretty quickly abandoned. The premise was that they would do away with the retirement system altogether while you'd receive a certain amount based on grade and years served. Everyone would get something, whether you served one year or forty, but the magical 20 year mark would really mean jack shit.
 
Eh. I'm an Obama supporter and a democrat and I don't agree with this move. There are other things in the military that should be cut before going after a vet's healthcare perk. I understand that they pay way less than the average person, but the average person doesn't have to go to war and work shit hours for shit pay for 20 years.

My mom currently "double dips." She wasn't in the military but she was a librarian for 30+ years. She retired, collects her pension, and now she has her own small business. Nothing huge, but she brought in about 80k from her business alone, not counting her pension.

Frankly, I think after you retire and have put in the number of years you needed to to EARN your pension, you should be able to do whatever you want.

Edit: you bet your ass I'm trying to find a government job. While the pay likely isn't as good as what I could get in the private sector, those benefits and pension are virtually priceless.
 
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This has been building since the debt ceiling shit.

Here, from an independent source:
Last week, the Congressional Republicans and President Obama warned that if a new debt ceiling is not reached, veterans’ pay and Social Security pay would be threatened. In addition, President Obama and Republicans also proposed a new inflation index. The index would cut disability pay by $23 billion over 10 years.
Currently, the traditional Consumer Price Index (CPI) is said to increase with the rate of inflation. The new chained CPI is said to reduce payments during economic downturns to reflect spending during that period.
The theory rests on the assumption that consumers buy cheaper goods during hard times. Instead of buying Heinz 57, maybe you buy Generic Catsup. Since the consumer spends less money, they need less money. Therefore, if the consumer needs less money, then the amount of money they receive from Social Security of Veterans Disability should be less.
http://militaryadvantage.military.com/2011/07/president-republicans-eye-23-billion-benefits-cut/
Same shit, different bill.
See? it's not just those democratic pussies.

I just wish everyone would get off the Democrat V Republican shit. If you're that immature & irrational to understand both parties are terrible in their own right...
 
Barack is disgusting. The men and women they shipped off to fight their imperial wars are the ONLY people the government should make sure are getting taken care of.

Ron Paul would disagree.
 
So a colonel was only paying 30 bucks a month for healthcare... Holy shit that's a deal. I'm thinking the rates go up higher depending on your rank. That must have been the one that went up 345%. I can't imagine it going that high on the enlisted side of things.
 
My main concern here is that when deciding to cut defense spending, I really don't think cutting healthcare funding for any current or former military should be targeted so early. Surely there are a ton of other things we can cut in terms of military besides frieken health care benefits.

Getting rid of 100,000 troops as we speak
 

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