Possible 3-Way Trade with the Knicks and the Nets

[TJ Detweiler]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...831~2419&teams=5~5~5~17~17~18~18~17&te=&cash=

I would do this trade because it would give the Knicks Wally, a valuable expiring to trade, also gives them cap room to go after LeBron(fat chance.) This would give the Nets Nate and Anderson two more expirings.

Cavaliers lineup would look like this:

PG- Mo Williams
SG- Vince Carter
SF- LeBron James
PF- David Lee
C- Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Backups: Gibson, Wallace, Hickson, Thomas, Jackson, Delonte(If Resigned)

Knicks:

PG- Stephon Marbury
SG- Wally Szcerbiak
SF- Danillo Gallinari
PF- Zach Randolph
C- Eddy Curry

Backups:

Crawford, Duhon, James, Rose

Nets:

PG- Nate Robinson
SG- Devin Harris
SF- Quentin Richardson
PF- Yi Jianlian
C- Brook Lopez

Backups:

Ager, Swift, Hayes, Dooling, Simmons

 

[Derek]

Knicks don't do it. I don't even know if the Cavs would do it. 2 overpaid players coming to Cleveland. No!!

 

[TJ Detweiler]

I wouldn't call David Lee overpaid 1.7M A year.

But if you meant Jeffries I know what you mean.

Cavaliers recieve:

22M in total contract money(per year)

24M in total contract money (lost after trade)

2M under the cap

Nets recieve:

8.67M in total contract money(per year)

14.7M in total contract money (lost after trade)

6M under the cap

Knicks recieve:

18M in total contract money(per year)

19M in total contract money (lost after trade)

1M under the cap

ALL THREE TEAMS WOULD BE UNDER THE CAP.

 

[Derek]

I wouldn't call David Lee overpaid 1.7M A year.

But if you meant Jeffries I know what you mean.

Cavaliers recieve:

22M in total contract money(per year)

24M in total contract money (lost after trade)

2M under the cap

Nets recieve:

8.67M in total contract money(per year)

14.7M in total contract money (lost after trade)

6M under the cap

Knicks recieve:

18M in total contract money(per year)

19M in total contract money (lost after trade)

1M under the cap

ALL THREE TEAMS WOULD BE UNDER THE CAP.

Yes, I was talking about VC and Jeffries. Overall Salaries look good, but taking on 14mil and 6mil in overpaid money doesn't sound like Danny Ferry at all.

 

[Adam]

I think its about time that we consider pay roll a lttle more in our trades. Gilbert is willing to spend above and beyond if needed, but he doesn't want every guy from 1-12 on the roster to have an albatross. the expirings need to be used to bring back a key piece adn as little crap as possible.

 

[Derek]

Not to mention, VC and Jeffries Contracts are for 4 years and 3 years(Both well past 2010). Lee is basically a rent-a-player since this is the final year on his contract.

 

[coldsweat]

the nets can acquire more talent for vince carter...come on. the nets may be interested in clearing up cap space for lebron, but they don't have to trade away every contract that lasts beyond the 2009-2010 season. remember, lebron would have no incentive to go to a team which was devoid of talent, and the nets know this. plus they can retain carter and still offer lebron a max contract with the way that their player's salaries are structured as of now. so if they trade carter, they aren't going to do it for a pure salary dump - they would want young talent with potential (and no, nate robinson and anderson varejao do not qualify).

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

Is this just a made up trade? Any substance to this? Any articles stating these teams are talking?

 

[TJ Detweiler]

Yeah its a made-up trade.

 

[Derek]

Is this just a made up trade? Any substance to this? Any articles stating these teams are talking?

You could have just guessed, seeing as he used Trade Machine, that it was made up.

coldsweat, you are rating VC way too high. He was great before. But he is on the decline. I think the Nets would want to do it more than anybody. Cavs and Knicks would never do it though. I wouldn't even want the Cavs to do it. That would really set me off.

 

[RonG]

The problem with Lee in any trade is he is a FA next year and will want 10 mil a year. Lee hustles he is a little more polished version of Andy but not worht what he will demand.

 

[coldsweat]

You could have just guessed, seeing as he used Trade Machine, that it was made up.

coldsweat, you are rating VC way too high. He was great before. But he is on the decline. I think the Nets would want to do it more than anybody. Cavs and Knicks would never do it though. I wouldn't even want the Cavs to do it. That would really set me off.

how am i overrating vc? i don't think i am overrating him by saying the nets wouldn't trade him to dump salary. your value has to be rather low to be considered in a salary dump. the dude was a 20, 5, 5 player, so although he is overpaid, he is not overpaid by much at all and considering that many semi-stars are overpaid carter's contract is not a problem. so why should the nets settle for a salary dump.

let's take your claim that carter is on the decline seriously. jason kidd was on the decline but yet the recieved 2 #1 round draft picks plus devin harris (the dude established himself in past playoffs vs. tony parker, definitely a special prospect). what prospect are the nets receiving in this proposed trade? nate robinson is undersized, has had issues with other players on his team (warning flag for a potential team-chemistry destroyer), and hasn't proven himself in any way. anderson varejao is paid for what he is, not what he will become - a hustle forward who will stay active on the defensive end. no potential. even in the richard jefferson trade the nets received jianlian, who had sick outings last year and may flourish if he receives more shots. he has loads of potential.

again, how am i overrating vc? i'm not saying that he deserves his contract, that he's necessarily going to continue playing on the same level (although there's no reason to expect a significant decline), i'm just saying he's worth more than a salary dump.

 

[TJ Detweiler]

how am i overrating vc? i don't think i am overrating him by saying the nets wouldn't trade him to dump salary. your value has to be rather low to be considered in a salary dump. the dude was a 20, 5, 5 player, so although he is overpaid, he is not overpaid by much at all and considering that many semi-stars are overpaid carter's contract is not a problem. so why should the nets settle for a salary dump.

let's take your claim that carter is on the decline seriously. jason kidd was on the decline but yet the recieved 2 #1 round draft picks plus devin harris (the dude established himself in past playoffs vs. tony parker, definitely a special prospect). what prospect are the nets receiving in this proposed trade? nate robinson is undersized, has had issues with other players on his team (warning flag for a potential team-chemistry destroyer), and hasn't proven himself in any way. anderson varejao is paid for what he is, not what he will become - a hustle forward who will stay active on the defensive end. no potential. even in the richard jefferson trade the nets received jianlian, who had sick outings last year and may flourish if he receives more shots. he has loads of potential.

again, how am i overrating vc? i'm not saying that he deserves his contract, that he's necessarily going to continue playing on the same level (although there's no reason to expect a significant decline), i'm just saying he's worth more than a salary dump.

This is actually the trade that both the Knicks AND Nets would do purely for salary dump to make a run at a particular free agent(s) in the 09-010, and 010-011 season.

 

[Derek]

how am i overrating vc? i don't think i am overrating him by saying the nets wouldn't trade him to dump salary. your value has to be rather low to be considered in a salary dump. the dude was a 20, 5, 5 player, so although he is overpaid, he is not overpaid by much at all and considering that many semi-stars are overpaid carter's contract is not a problem. so why should the nets settle for a salary dump.

let's take your claim that carter is on the decline seriously. jason kidd was on the decline but yet the recieved 2 #1 round draft picks plus devin harris (the dude established himself in past playoffs vs. tony parker, definitely a special prospect). what prospect are the nets receiving in this proposed trade? nate robinson is undersized, has had issues with other players on his team (warning flag for a potential team-chemistry destroyer), and hasn't proven himself in any way. anderson varejao is paid for what he is, not what he will become - a hustle forward who will stay active on the defensive end. no potential. even in the richard jefferson trade the nets received jianlian, who had sick outings last year and may flourish if he receives more shots. he has loads of potential.

again, how am i overrating vc? i'm not saying that he deserves his contract, that he's necessarily going to continue playing on the same level (although there's no reason to expect a significant decline), i'm just saying he's worth more than a salary dump.

If you honestly think that VC is worth 14 Mil a season, I am shocked. And not only is it a salary dump, but they get 3 usable players back for an aging VC. I mean VC can't be a part of ANY long-term commitment. He is 31 years old. So to get rid of him for 3 players under 30, most GM's in the league would. Nate Robinson is still young, he averages 12-3-3 right now in his 3rd season. Not to mention his stats get better every year so theres no reason not to assume that he can average 15 ppg and maybe another assist/steal next season. So three young players to put in the roster, AND a salary dump when they decided to go for a player like LeBron. That makes more sense than some of the trades ferry pulled off.

Oh and don't forget. Camby got traded for cash, so anything can happen ;-)

 

[twizbuck]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...72~831~2419&teams=5~5~5~17~18~18~17&te=&cash=

I think this would be more likely, but with Sasha staying and using West in a S&T. Still, I doubt either would happen.... but why not have fun with it? Lol.