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I find it ironic that everyone in the world has a grade for the draft immediately following it, when it means nothing, yet at the end of the season when you can really start to making accurate grades they are virtually non-existant. With that in mind, I think now is the perfect time to grade Savage's drafts, both 2005 and 2006. I'd like to see grades pick by pick and then overall:


2006
RD PK(OVR) NAME POS SCHOOL
1 13(13) Kamerion Wimbley DE FLORIDA STATE
2 2(34) D'Qwell Jackson ILB MARYLAND
3 14(78) Travis Wilson WR OKLAHOMA
4 13(110) Leon Williams ILB MIAMI (FLA.)
4 15(112) Isaac Sowells OT INDIANA
5 12(145) Jerome Harrison RB WASHINGTON STATE
5 20(152) DeMario Minter CB GEORGIA
6 11(180) Lawrence Vickers FB COLORADO
6 12(181) Babatunde Oshinowo DT STANFORD
7 14(222) Justin Hamilton S VIRGINIA TECH


2005
RD PK(OVR) NAME POS SCHOOL
1 3(3) Braylon Edwards WR MICHIGAN
2 2(34) Brodney Pool S OKLAHOMA
3 3(67) Charlie Frye QB AKRON
4 2(103) Antonio Perkins CB OKLAHOMA
5 3(139) David McMillan DE KANSAS
6 2(176) Nick Speegle OLB NEW MEXICO
6 29(203) Andrew Hoffman DT VIRGINIA
** Cleveland traded Luke McCown (QB) to Tampa Bay for the 203rd (6th) selection.
7 3(217) Jon Dunn OT VIRGINIA TECH


So let's see your grades. Chop, chop! :)
 
1 13(13) Kamerion Wimbley DE FLORIDA STATE
2 2(34) D'Qwell Jackson ILB MARYLAND


these were 2 very very good picks....Wimbley is turning out to be a stud and Jackson next to Andra Davis seems like a very good inside combo for the next few years...I give him an A on the 1st 2 rounds

Jerome Harrison in the 5th was also a great pick


Travis Wilson....well I really dont know and other than that Im not sold on any of those dudes
 
I thought Leon Williams played good.
 
Wimbley-A

D Jax-B-, should continue to grow. Good pick

Trav Wilson-F, stupid pick in the first place. We didnt need a WR, let alone this early.

Leon Williams-C+. Showed he could be a player, but didn't get that chance to real late in the season, lets hope that carries over.

Sowells-D. Didn't really play, but he is an OL..

Harrison-D. I don't see why we drafted him. Wright is better and they are almost the same player.

Vickers-C-. Did some special team stuff, T Smith wasnt going to last forever. Not too bad. Probably would have been better if Marthon didnt have him passing the ball.

Osho and Hamilton-F

Overall, C draft. Could have three possible starters, but already three players are worthless, with two not even on even on the team anymore.
 
Who woulda thunk Demeco Ryans would have the year he's having....even with a solid pick like DQJ I'd prefer Demeco..
 
How good would Gabe Watson would have looked instead of Wilson???

Man I was pimping that dude hardcore...he didn't start, but he did good in a reserve role with Arizona.
 
I'm not sure what the point of taking Wilson was...Savage was like "Oh we got a steal we got a steal"..he wasn't even on anyones radar in round 3. Sure he was impressive as hell at the Family Night I attended and did well in preseason...but why draft someone if the HC has no intention of playing him?

It was an immediately questioned pick and they didn't justify it by sitting him and playing NoHands86
 
2006

1 13(13) Kamerion Wimbley DE FLORIDA STATE

Analysis: This pick right here, makes Phil Savage look like a genius... There might not be a defensive player in the draft, who has had the effect on the defensive side of the ball like Wimbley has... Wimbley FINALLY provided the Browns the pass rushing threat we need and got us, for the first time in a long time, a double-digit sack master... His transition from DE to OLB didn't seem like a big problem and by the end of the year his run stopping skills and coverage skills didn't seem that bad...

Looking Back: I would of made this pick all day long... He was the best pick at 13..

Grade: A+

2 2(34) D'Qwell Jackson ILB MARYLAND

Analysis: Jackson seemed like he came on more as the season progressed... He might be a bit small to be playing the ILB position, but he has all the other tools you need to be a solid linebacker.. His coverage was a bit iffy, but most rookie's coverage skills are... It's something that can be corrected, so I'm not worried about it... He seems to have pretty much locked up the starting spot for next year but he had some stiff competition from Leon Williams late in the year...

Looking Back: I'll say this was a solid pick and leave it at that... It would of been nice to draft a guy like Marcus McNeil or Winston Justice and have a side of our line locked up for a while... Maurice Jones-Drew, whom I wanted, wouldn't of been a bad choice either... But right there the Browns had a pretty big hole at ILB and needed somebody who could stuff the run... So you can't really say it was a bad decision... Besides, the Browns had just signed Kevin Shaffer to a big deal and who would of known Droughns wouldn't be the 1,000+ yard back he was last year? Devin Hester was also available here... But again, looking back we didn't have a huge need for a CB, especially this early...

Grade: B+

3 14(78) Travis Wilson WR OKLAHOMA
Analysis: Many Browns fans, as well as I, were left wondering, who? I'll be honest, I hadn't really heard of him before the draft started... Sitting there in the third round, I would of thought he'd be the last choice there, but turns out he was on top of Savage's list... Wilson seemed to be a big, tall possession receiver who had solid hands coming out and he proved that in limited playing time during the regular season and some playing time during the preseason... He declared himself the best receiver in the draft and Savage said he was the "steal" of the draft... We really didn't get to see much of him due to Romeo's stubborness to play rookies... As of now, you can't really grade this pick because of his lack of exposure... It'll remain to be seen though... I have trust in Savage and his past drafs, so I am willing to to see how this pans out...

Looking Back: The thrid round really wasn't jam packed full of talent, looking back on it... I mean really there isn't anybody who has even made a little bit of a impact, so you can't really say this was a "wasted" pick... Jerious Norwood got picked right after Wilson, but again who would of though Droughns would be a dud?

Grade: C+

4 13(110) Leon Williams ILB MIAMI (FLA.)
Analysis: This pick, just like the Wimbley pick, makes Savage look like a genius... If anybody payed attention to Williams the last few weeks of the season, they would of seen we got a steal in the fourth round... His last three games of the season, he managed to a little over 10 tackles a game with two 12+ tackling games... Pretty good production from a 4th rounder, wouldn't you say? This guy had all the athletic and physical skills at Miami, but never put them all together... So far, it looks like Cleveland has managed to bring that out in him and Cleveland might even get a starter because of that... I'd expect Williams o give D'Qwell a good challenge for the starting ILB, opposite of Andra Davis...

Looking Back: This round was full of pass rushers... Victor Adeyanju, Elvis Dumervil and Ray Edwards all made some kind of impact on the opposing passing game... But, with already having drafted Wimbley, signing McGinest and drafting David McMillan last year, it just wouldn't of made sense to pick one of these guys... We also could of looked at Leon Washington, who's played well for the Jets as the scat-back we were looking for...

Grade: A

4 15(112) Isaac Sowells OT INDIANA
Analysis: By this time in the fourth round, I was about to throw something at my T.V... I mean, Issac Sowells and Leon Williams??? Some might of had low expectation for these guys, but Savage sure wasn't aiming low himself... He stated soon after the draft, that he believed that Sowells could challenge for a 2007 starting guard spot... That's some big praise for a Big-10 tackle.. But then again, who COULDN'T challenge Andruzzi and Coleman for a spot? Playing time was very limited for Sowells, as Crennel held his rookie grudge agaisnt him... When Andruzzi and Coleman failed horribly he still stuck with them and even gave Lennie Friedman a try, who didn't do awesome himself... Sowells did get to play the last game of the season, at right tackle, and seemed to do okay and didn't make many mistakes... It's hard to grade Sowells because his lack of PT, just like Wilson...

Looking Back: See Leon Williams (Although, offensive line depth was a need... Coleman is a free agent this year and Andruzzi is aging...)

Grade: C+

5 12(145) Jerome Harrison RB WASHINGTON STATE
Analysis: A good value pick at this point in the draft... The Browns were looking for a scat-back to compliment Droughns' running style... They wanted a multi-purpose threat and someone who could provide something in the passing game... Well, they pretty much got what they asked for... Previous to the Browns, Harrison racked up 2,100+ yards (receving and rushing) at Washington State and was nicknamed the "Ghost" for his quickness... Harrison really struggled to get on the field this season, due to his lack of pass-blocking skills and not being able to pick up blitzes didn't help either... And because of this he couldn't go in the game because the defenses knew that Harrison would be getting the ball... And until he can correct those things, he's not going to get on the field...

Looking Back: There are two guys who could of been good picks here... Dawan Landry would be one, who got picked up by the Ravens and is now starting next to Ed Reed for them... We defintely don't need yet another safety, but we do need some depth there... And the 5th round isn't exactly a place to find starters... Another guy I would of like to seen us take is Mark Anderson... He led all rookies with 13 sacks and provided to be a great pass rushing threat for the Bears... Although, we did have a logjam at OLB already...

Grade: B-

5 20(152) DeMario Minter CB GEORGIA
Analysis: He would of helped this year... But just like the myriad of other cornerbacks, he got injured... He didn't play all season and was on IR for the whole season... So I'm just basing the pick off what I've heard about him and what I learned about him in college... Supposedly he had the talent to be a first day pick but he just dropped for an unknown reason... Although, he did run a slow 40 time and his footwork/back pedaling wasn't the best... I could see him next year getting some work as a Dime back, so he could provide to be useful, because we know how maligned our secondary becomes before the end of the season... (Do you guys think this pick right here opened the door for Daven Holly? If so, that's raises this grade even more then I give him credit for.)

Looking Back: See Jerome Harrison.

Grade: C

6 11(180) Lawrence Vickers FB COLORADO
Analysis: Does anybody think this was Mo Carthon's pick? I could just see Carthon in the draft room licking his chops to get a fullback in the draft... He probably erased Savage's handwriting and wrote in Vickers... Anyway, I could see the need for Vickers.. He isn't the prototypical fullback but more of a multi-purpose back.. He's a guy who played running back at Colorado, caught some balls out of the backfield and did a decent job blocking... He was more here to be a goal-line back and hopefully pan out to be Terrelle Smith's replacement... The coaching staff, well Mo Carthong, wanted more a versatile FB to fit the offensive scheme... Vickers didn't really play much and if he did, didn't make a impact...

Looking Back: Nobody here I would of like to seen... I mean the 6th round was full of duds... Bruce Gradkowski would of been nice though... He seems like a guy who be a good career backup for us...

Grade: B-

6 12(181) Babatunde Oshinowo DT STANFORD
Analysis: This pick was a part of the Haloti Ngata trade... Obviously we felt comfortable trading down with acquiring ..., I won't even bring that up... Anyway, not much you could expect from this pick... Baba was a good run-stuffer in college and everybody hoped he could be a solid backup for us... But, his size just didn't cut it and is now on the PS...

Looking Back: I actually would of liked to see Montavius Stanley here.. He had great size for the 3-4 and could play any one of the positions...

Grade: C

7 14(222) Justin Hamilton S VIRGINIA TECH
Analysis: Depth, depth and depth is exactly what this pick is and what it's supposed to be... I mean, you can't expect anything from a 7th rounder... Hamilton was a big hitter in college with a lot of physical attributes... He seemed to play well in pre-season and looks to have earned a spot at the backup safety position...

Looking Back: I'm fine with this pick... Unless we could of gotten Marques Colston.. But there's no telling he would of broken out here the way he did in New Orleans... They had a QB who could get it to him, we didn't...

Grade: B

OVERALL GRADE: B/B+

My Ideal Draft

1). Kamerion Wimbley
2). Marcus McNeil
3). Jerious Norwood
4). Leon Williams
4). Issac Sowells
5). Dawan Landry
5). DeMarion Minter
6). Montavius Stanley
7). Marques Colston

But again, that's in a dream world...

Now, I know this is long, but stick with me, we're half way through... :D

2005​

1 3(3) Braylon Edwards WR MICHIGAN

Analysis: He's got all the talent in the world, he's just got to put it together... He got injured last year and recoverd surprisingly quick in the offseason... His returned presence to the lineup gave defenses just one more threat to worry about and have Charlie Frye yet another option to look at... This year was a disappointing season, IMHO... He was poised last year for a breakout season... He seemed to be on the right track, he kept his mouth shut and played... But it's not surprising he had a sophmore slump a lot of people do... Now he was productive, don't get me wrong but for being a #3 pick, getting paid the money he gets payed and they way he talks about himself, you simply expect more... I can't say this pick is an absolute disappointment because he has time to turn himself around... I just hope he can get it together and maybe the knee was a part of the problem this season, I hope...

Looking Back: I'd take this pick back, if I were Phil Savage... There were just too many people behind him making a bigger impact than Braylon... Sure it'd be nice to have the kind of playmaker like he is on offense, but wouldn't you rather have a guy like Shawne Merriman or DeMarcus Ware? Could you imagine either one of thise guys on the opposite side of Kamerion Wimbley?:eek: Just look at it this way, we could of done worse at WR... Both Mike Williams and Troy Williams aren't exactly #1's themselves and barely #2 WR's...

Grade: B

2 2(34) Brodney Pool S OKLAHOMA

Analysis: Pool came out his junior year and if he would of stayed some say he might of been a Top 15 pick... So Phil might of gotten a steal here, he might of... Pool really isn't the enforcer type, that Sean Jones is, but he's more of a coverage safety, a good compliment to Sean... From what I've seen of him, it almost looks like he would be better suited at CB than S because of his corner skills... It seems like he has a future with the Browns at safety and could be a starter if Russell leaves... I just would like to see him be the quarterback of the secondary a la Brian Russell... That really gave our secondary a boost... It also wouldn't hurt for Pool to cut down on giving up big plays...

Looking Back: There's three guys who would of been solid picks here... Two of them tackles; Michael Roos and Khalif Barnes.. Both of them are having success in Jacksonville and Tennessee starting at LT... Remember this was when we had LJ Shelton, so these guys would of defintely helped... Reggie Brown is the third guy I would of liked to see picked here... If we wouldn't of gone with Braylon in the first, I could defintely see us picking Reggie Brown... Don't forget that Frank Gore was the first pick of the 3rd round, as well...

Grade: B

3 3(67) Charlie Frye QB AKRON

Analysis: At first when we picked him, I truly thought we had brought home the QB that would be the right fit for this team... Well, 2 seasons later, I'm not so much in that boat... I'm just not sure he has the type of game that this team needs... His accuracy isn't the best, he continually turns the ball over and doesn't have a strong arm... All of those things killed us this year and really limited what our offense could do... Sure you love his scrambling ability, work ethic, moxie and attitude but that's only 1/3 of what makes a quarterback great... All I wanted from him was to be a solid starter... Maybe we have one in him but didn't see it because of the lackluster offensive line and running game, maybe... But I would have to see a lot from him to conclude that he is the right fit for this team... Romeo and Phil seem content to leave him at the helm for one more season and see what he has...

Looking Back: There are a few guys who would of made solid picks (Channing Crowder, Ellis Hobbs, Evan Mathis)... But we had Trent Dilfer at the helm, TRENT DIFER!!! We needed somebody to take over for him, so I can't blame Savage for taking Frye...

Grade: B

4 2(103) Antonio Perkins CB OKLAHOMA
Analysis: This was a botched pick... Savage was looking for the type of player the Bears got in Devin Hester, but as we all know he failed... I'm not going to go on wasting my time rambling about a wasted pick... It's simple.

Looking Back: Some pretty good RB's were taken after Perkins; Brandon Jacobs and Marion Barber... Both of whom have been successful as a #2 back and goal-line back... Chris Canty also wouldn't of been a bad pick... He's a solid 3-4 LB... Todd Hereemans would have been a great pick though… He’s the starting LG for the Eagles and just signed a contract extension…

Grade: F

5 3(139) David McMillan DE KANSAS
Analysis: All this was intended to be was a pass-rushing specialist... At the time, we had no one to provide any kind of pass rush... He didn't really play much his rookie year, but showed some flashes in pre-season of what we could have on our hands... Some say he's the heir-apparent to Willie McGinest, but I highly doubt it... He's a career backup...

Looking Back: Trent Cole was the guy I wanted here... He's exactly what McMillan was supposed to be; a pass rush specialist... He got 5 sacks as a rookie and 8 this season...

Grade: D+

6 2(176) Nick Speegle OLB NEW MEXICO
Analysis: A depth pick here... He hasn't really done anything nor have I heard much about him... He's got some pretty good physical attributes, he just doesn't have the talent.. He'll probably end up being a Mason Unck; a good special teams player... Hey, I could defintely live with that... Special teams are an overlooked aspect of the game, that I think are pretty important...

Looking Back: Nobody really stands out here... Bo Scaife would of been nice, but we had Heiden and K2... Cedric Houston would of been a nice pick as well as Tab Perry... But we just picked a WR in the 1st...

6 29(203) Andrew Hoffman DT VIRGINIA
Analysis: Another wasted pick… We were looking for depth here for the 3-4, but Hoffman didn’t pan out like expected and the switch to O-Line didn’t help either…

Looking Back: Anybody would be better than him, anybody…Rob Pettiti, who I believe was starting for the Cowboys, would have been good here…

Grade: F

** Cleveland traded Luke McCown (QB) to Tampa Bay for the 203rd (6th) selection.
Luke McCown… What a QB…

7 3(217) Jon Dunn OT VIRGINIA TECH
Analysis: Another wasted pick… I’m not even sure he’s on the roster or PS…

Looking Back: Not anything attractiver here… Reynaldo Hill, maybe, for some depth in the secondary…

Grade: F

OVERALL GRADE: C

My Ideal Draft
1). Shawne Merriman
2). Reggie Brown
3). Charlie Frye
4). Todd Herremans
5). Trent Cole
6). Nick Speegle
6). Rob Pettiti
7). Reynaldo Hill

Again, that’s in a dream world…


Savage’s first draft wasn’t anything to brag about, but I can’t expect much from a guy who was hired, without knowing a lot about the current team he has… Now, I’m saying he should be given a free pass, but some more slack…

The second draft, I think is a glimpse of what he could do… The second draft is definitely the better of the two and I think that has a lot to do with his expierence with this team for one season…

For this year, I’m expecting another good draft and a better one because of his expierence with this team…

Some might think Savage isn’t a good drafter, but he was known as one of the premier talent evaluators for a reason… This man knows talent when he sees it..

(Thanks for those stuck with me throughout my post:))
 
A Mac aka The Truth said:
Trav Wilson-F, stupid pick in the first place. We didnt need a WR, let alone this early.

You do realize that Braylon wasn't expectd back until in October?

You do realize that we had nobody behind BE, JJ and Northcutt? Sure Cribbs developed, but nobody expected him to be a #3/#4 WR...

And that Dennis was in his last year of his contract?

cdt said:
Who woulda thunk Demeco Ryans would have the year he's having....even with a solid pick like DQJ I'd prefer Demeco..

Remember, we didn't have a shot at him... He was picked right before us... Phil wanted a ILB in the 2nd round and with DeMeco going already, Phil wanted to make sure he could get the guy he wanted...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
How good would Gabe Watson would have looked instead of Wilson???

There's a reason he was picked in the third...

Watson does not play with the level of effort and intensity on every snap to produce consistently. Way too often he pops upright at the snap, allows blockers to get into his chest and can be turned and sealed out of the play. When he gets up high, he can't get any push when he tries to bull rush. Gets lazy with his hands and does not reach down to protect his legs from cut blocks, which leads to him getting slowed up and dropped to the ground fairly easily. More than anything, it is concerning that he is soft-bodied and fleshy, which points to an inconsistent work ethic off the field. Does not play with a sense of urgency on every snap.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/watson_gabriel
 
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Hmm for some reason I thought we got the 1st ILB off the board..nice work Smithers :chuckles:
 
Wow, according to smooth we just had the best draft in history..

You gotta be subjective and as honest as I can be, your grades are crap. Anything less than an F at this point for Wilson is unacceptable. The guy played in like two games?

We were not in bad shape at the WR position. JJ could have easily slipped in at the #1 spot, Cutt started at the two almost the entire year and then Winslow was the third option. Frisman Jackson showed more than Wilson, we weren't in bad shape at all. It was a horrible horrible pick, nothing else can be said about it.

Scouts aren't always right. I guess there was a reason Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round too right??? Everybody has a reason, but until it is proven in the NFL it doesn't mean anything. Can you name our back up DT? Ask the average Browns fan and I highly doubt they know who it is. We don't have a good one, Watson would have filled that bill and atleast got us some production out of a draft pick instead of DNPs.

Osh and Hamilton didn't even crack the roster, yet you give them a C and a B? Im sure HPD would want some of what you are smoking...
 
He made some good picks there. I guess you guys were pretty well at rock bottom beforehand. But one O-Line in 2 years is shoddy drafting, no wonder the unit has its share of problems.
 
cdt said:
Who woulda thunk Demeco Ryans would have the year he's having....even with a solid pick like DQJ I'd prefer Demeco..
Alot of people wanted Demeco instead and I believe phil said he had him rated higher, but the texans snatched him up before us. Seeing that happen Phil had to make a move to get his next rated ILB DQ

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Wimbley-A

D Jax-B-, should continue to grow. Good pick

Trav Wilson-F, stupid pick in the first place. We didnt need a WR, let alone this early.

Leon Williams-C+. Showed he could be a player, but didn't get that chance to real late in the season, lets hope that carries over.

Sowells-D. Didn't really play, but he is an OL..

Harrison-D. I don't see why we drafted him. Wright is better and they are almost the same player.

Vickers-C-. Did some special team stuff, T Smith wasnt going to last forever. Not too bad. Probably would have been better if Marthon didnt have him passing the ball.

Osho and Hamilton-F

Overall, C draft. Could have three possible starters, but already three players are worthless, with two not even on even on the team anymore.
Wilson looks like a player. We could use a WR who catches the ball.

What WR do we have for the future besides Braylon??

Northcutt, gone. JJ, one or two more years left. Cribs is a devlopment project.

As for oshinowo, the guy was what a 5th or 6th round pick. What do you expect, this guy to come in ASAP and be a solid contributer? Alot of people ask WAY to much out of late round picks way to earlier.

Oshinowo was a great value pick, he had a 3rd round grade. I'm not sure if everyone knows this but 5-7th round picks are DEVELOPMENTAL PLAYERS. They are picked that late for a reason. Not everyone is a Marques Colston

Hamilton played special team regularly, so an F is totally inaccurate.

A Mac aka The Truth said:
How good would Gabe Watson would have looked instead of Wilson???

Man I was pimping that dude hardcore...he didn't start, but he did good in a reserve role with Arizona.
We probably didn't take him because his rap was/is he's fat and has zero motivation. Look at his career at michigan, greatly underachieved.

Phil's only drafting people with good raps. Tons of people screamed why didn't we draft, Odell Thurman.

Everyone screaming then are completely silent now. Druggie, suspensions, jail time and now he's going to be kicked off the Bengals accoring to Marvin Lewis yesterday.

cdt said:
I'm not sure what the point of taking Wilson was...Savage was like "Oh we got a steal we got a steal"..he wasn't even on anyones radar in round 3. Sure he was impressive as hell at the Family Night I attended and did well in preseason...but why draft someone if the HC has no intention of playing him?

It was an immediately questioned pick and they didn't justify it by sitting him and playing NoHands86
That's on Romeo. Phil said he drafts by BPA

As for Marcus Mcneil, I liked him as well, I wanted him but alot of people we weary about drafting him because of his back, he has SERIOUS back problems which will greatly shorten his career.

Maurice Jones Drew, had lot's of fans around message boards but it seemed like he was a 3rd round pick and he got snagged early. Phil went with another change of pace back in Harrison. Even if we got Drew, I highly doubt Romeo or his coaching staff would have played him, they hate playing rookies.

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Can you name our back up DT? Ask the average Browns fan and I highly doubt they know who it is
Well actually, in our scheme it's referred to as a Nose Tackle.
 
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DT and NT, wow....good job. Im glad you took the time to point that out. Either way, it's still the DT position.
 
A Mac aka The Truth said:
Wow, according to smooth we just had the best draft in history..

:notfunny?

If you would of looked at the overall grade, maybe it would of made it clearer for you..

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Anything less than an F at this point for Wilson is unacceptable. The guy played in like two games?

Just let me get this straight... Who's fault is it that Wilson didn't play? It wasn't Savage's... Let me just point that out...

Romeo was the one who decided not to play him... Why? I have no clue to this day... I'm sure it had something do with holding out, but I could see that going on for a couple of games.. not the whole season...

Sure the fact of on field production has a lot to do with whether or not the pick was a success or a failure, but can you really say it was a F?

I mean we have Dennis gone, Cribbs isn't anything more than a #4 guy... Who else is there to play WR for us next season? Would you want to really go into the season with JJ, BE a FA and Cribbs? I wouldn't feel safe with that at all...

You also got to realize that Savage drafted Wilson to hopefully take over for Jurevicus when he retires... That might be a little down the road, but Savage wants Wilson to be aclimated with the NFL and the nuiances that it brings, so that Wilson will be ready to start...

Another part of determing whether or not the pick was a good one or bad one, is to look in hindsight and see who he passed on that turned out to be a good player.. And to be honest, there really wasn't anybody else there besides maybe a Jerious Norwood... And at that point WR was a bigger need...

Just take a look for yourself... Who else was there?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analyzer/round3

I have just one question for you.... When you draft a highly touted QB out of college, say Phillip Rivers... And you have a guy like Drew Brees starting and you want Rivers to eventually take over and you know Brees is a free agent.. But the coach decides to sit Rivers... Do you call that pick a failure? And would you give it a F? Because that's basically what you're saying with the Wilson pick...

We're only one year into his 2nd draft... You're not going to get a great feel for the prospects and how they stack up for a couple of years... You need to give them some time to develop and earn their way into the lineup... Romeo's rookie grudge, doesn't help either...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
We were not in bad shape at the WR position. JJ could have easily slipped in at the #1 spot, Cutt started at the two almost the entire year and then Winslow was the third option. Frisman Jackson showed more than Wilson, we weren't in bad shape at all. It was a horrible horrible pick, nothing else can be said about it.

C'mon A Mac... You'd be comfortable with Northcutt starting? I mean he showed this year with a receiving threat next to him, BE, he couldn't be successful... And what makes you think that putting him next to JJ will make him any more successful? It'd only put more pressure on him... And we know Dennis, he can always drop those balls... :headbang:

Frisman Jackson? What? The guy had one good game a year and disappered for the rest of the year... For a guy like Kendrick Mosley to make the roster over him tells you something...

BTW, Winslow was/is the #1 option in the passing offense... Just like what the Chargers do with Antonio Gates...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Scouts aren't always right. I guess there was a reason Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round too right???

That's a rarity... You and I both know it...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Everybody has a reason, but until it is proven in the NFL it doesn't mean anything.

EXACTLY... So why don't you give the guy some time to prove he's worth it, before going and bashing Savage for the pick?

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Can you name our back up DT?

Ethan Kelley
J'Vonne Parker

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Ask the average Browns fan and I highly doubt they know who it is.

Your point? Even the good NT's aren't known by the average fan...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
We don't have a good one,

I think Big Ted Washington is pretty good... He might not be the best, but he does what he does best...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Watson would have filled that bill

And how do you know that?

He could of been a flop...

I doubt he would of got much playing time because of his inexpierence in the 3-4.. Not being a hard worker, taking plays off and not being in condition wouldn't help either... Kinda what you see with Michael Sweetney and the Chicago Bulls...

A Mac aka The Truth said:
Osh and Hamilton didn't even crack the roster,

I could of sworn Hamilton was the backup Safety behind Jones/Russell...

Oh wait, I'm right... http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/CLE

Just an FYI on Hamilton, the 6th round pick, played in 10 games and got 15 tackles... He also played pretty good on special teams...

Osh you're right on that one... He's still on the PS and has a chance next year to prove he's worth a roster spot... That's why I gave that one a C.. Because there's still a chance...

And again, who would of been the better pick there? Keep in mind, we had yet to fill the NT position..

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analyzer/round6

A Mac aka The Truth said:
yet you give them a C and a B? Im sure HPD would want some of what you are smoking...

:lame:
 

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