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Shoppach Traded to Rays for PTBNL

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Nay!

The venerable Lou Marson will have the job, of course. For that is the Indians way,

As in, it is the Indians way to see a guy play at AAA before getting the call? Lou Marson isn't holding Santana back, he is an important guy for the team as Santana's future backup.

As we saw with Victor Martinez, when your regular C is an integral part of your lineup, having a viable backup C who can start 30-50 games a year and handle themselves offensively is vital. Lou is an important bookend for Santana both in his role as the defensive-minded backup and in his cheapness for a few years.
 
Shapiro should get someone usuable in this deal, Shoppach is a 'salary dump' in the sense that a 3M backup C is a luxury, but it wouldn't have made his situation that desperate that he would have to take pennies on the dollar. It isn't as if the club couldn't have handled his salary going forward, but a matter of where to use those funds. There are other teams who don't have a Santana on the horizon who would have the paying time to have Shoppach in a regular platoon at C, which to me is the best way to maximize his value. Good luck to him.

I have a feeling that money is earmarked for either a utility guy- one capable of platooning with Valbuena and spelling Cabrera on a regular basis- or maybe even an arm. Dunno. The writer cited earlier speculated on Wily Aybar, and he would fit the mold of the utility guy I would be looking for.
 
This bodes well for the team's inflated strikeout rates.
 
Carlos Santana come on up.

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Rumor is the PTBNL could be Willy Aybar to fill the Indians utility role until Jason Donald is ready.
 
Shapiro states the player to be named could make the 25 man roster? That's big and very optimistic with a straight up trade for Shoppach.
 
If true the Rays must think they can get something out of Shoppach.
 
Maybe they feel they didn't strike out enough or bounce throws to second?

I won't lose any sleep over losing him.

That is for sure.

Even if it just means Shapiro gets to chomp out a bag of cheese doodles for 5 minutes.
 
Lastoria correcting some of his earlier speculation, and providing more info on PTBNL from TB:

Offseason Happenings: No On Aybar, Yes To Another Arm?
Posted by Tony at 1:47 AM

Here are some quick updates and thoughts on some of the recent developments in the quest to obtain more information on the player to be named in the Kelly Shoppach trade as well as other happenings in the Indians organization:

No Go On Aybar

In my update on Wednesday I made mention that the Indians may be targeting infielder Willy Aybar as the player to be named from Tampa Bay to complete the Kelly Shoppach trade. As it turns out, this is not the case as a source close to the situation has confirmed that Aybar is not on the player to be named list the Indians have to choose from.

I had originally speculated that they may be trying to get Aybar considering their known need for a versatile infielder, someone to complement Luis Valbuena at second base, and also someone as a fallback at first base in case Matt LaPorta's recovery from surgery takes longer than expected. When Shoppach was traded to Tampa Bay on Tuesday for a player to be named later and it was announced that the player to be named would have to be decided by December 20th it really looked like the player may be playing winter ball so they wanted some time to see the player. Hence the Aybar speculation.

However, with the help of e-mails and postings here on the site from several fans, per Major League Baseball rules a player to be named cannot have played in the same league as the team he is going to (a silly and strange rule if you ask me. I mean it is okay to go from the AL to the NL but not from the NL to the NL or AL to AL?). Considering Aybar played for the Rays in 2009, this eliminated him from consideration as a player to be named.

So Who Could It Be?

With Aybar clearly out of the picture, just what kind of player will the player to be named turn out to be?

First off, there has been rampant spreading of erroneous information the last 48 hours that Indians GM Mark Shapiro supposedly said something along the lines that the player to be named has a good chance to be on the Indians 25-man roster all year next season. This however is not true, as in his conference call with the media on Tuesday he was asked this very question on if the player could be a part of the 25-man roster next year and he gave a very short reply of "it's possible". That's it. It was a vague answer that could be taken any way really, as there is no better chance either way that the player could be on the 25-man roster next year or not be on it.

The way things look right now if you are gearing up for a player who can contribute meaningful time with the big league club in 2009 you are likely to be very disappointed. Instead, from what I am hearing, the deal is likely a prospect deal and for pitching. Whether or not it is for an arm at Low-A or Double-A remains to be seen, but here are some pitchers the Indians may be targeting from the Rays: Jake McGee (LHP), Aneury Rodriguez (RHP), Mitch Talbot (RHP), and Alexander Torres (LHP).

Of those four pitchers, the two who seem to be the most likely targets are Rodriguez and Talbot. In fact, if I had to guess right now I would say the odds on favorite to be the guy picked is Rodriguez. Talbot is major league ready and would certainly be a big league option in 2010, but he is out of options so I can't see the Indians taking him considering one of their own starters left-hander Jeremy Sowers is out of options as well (by the way, Aaron Laffey still has one option remaining). But Rodriguez has a lot of untapped potential still as a starting pitcher with a low 90s fastball with the potential to get up to 94-95 MPH as he continues to mature and get stronger. He has a good feel for pitching, commands the zone well, and has two secondary offerings in a curveball and changeup that are no worse than average. With just a quick glance at his stats and overview of his scouting report without actually ever seeing him, he reminds me a lot of Indians right-handed pitching prospect Jeanmar Gomez.

McGee may be a pipedream and would clearly be a nice haul in return for Shoppach. He is coming off Tommy John surgery but is expected to be 100% by the spring and with his power stuff he has the potential to be an impact arm in the Rays bullpen by the end of the season. Torres is a young lefty who turns 22 years old next week and would be a nice addition as well. He doesn't have dominating stuff with a fastball in the low 90s, but he has a good curveball and a changeup which is still a work in progress.

Whichever way the Indians go with the player to be named selection, for the most part it is all but mere speculation from now until December 20th. The Indians are expected to make the selection on that date, and when all is said and looks very much like it will be yet another young arm added to the organization.

Rule 5's Possible Effect On The Deal

Some may be surprised to learn that any player on a minor league reserve list may not be traded between November 20th and the Rule 5 Draft. When rosters are finalized on November 20th, Major League teams submit reserve lists for all major league and minor league levels. From November 20th until the Rule 5 Draft, no team can add a player from a minor league reserve list to their roster or trade them.

For example, now that the Indians have an open 40-man spot after dealing Shoppach they can't go and roster left-hander Chuck Lofgren to protect him from the Rule 5 Draft nor can they trade him until after the Rule 5 Draft. They can include him in a deal on a list as a player to be named, but they cannot trade him until after the Rule 5 Draft has been completed. Knowing this, it is possible that the December 20th deadline to choose the player to be named in the Shoppach deal may in fact be Rule 5 related.

SOURCE
 
Well, let's hope we don't go for yet another LH pitcher with a high 80's to very low 90's fastball, and the curve as his best pitch. We have our fair share of those types already.
 
And your PTBNL is . . .

Cleveland Indians complete Kelly Shoppach trade; sign reliever Saul Rivera
By Paul Hoynes, The Plain Dealer
December 21, 2009, 2:24PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Indians got right-hander Mitch Talbot today from Tampa Bay to complete the Kelly Shoppach trade.

Talbot, 26, has a career minor league record of 62-54 with a 3.79 ERA in 165 starts. Last season, he went 4-4 in 10 starts at Class AAA Durham but was slowed by a sore right elbow. Talbot ended the season healthy.

Talbot was Houston's second-round pick in 2002. He's been invited to big league camp with the Indians in February.


Along with Shoppach, the Indians sent Tampa Bay an undisclosed amount of cash.

In another move, the Indians signed right-hander Saul Rivera to a minor league contract and invited him to spring training. Rivera made a franchise-record 245 relief appearances for the Washington Nationals from 2006 through 2009.

Rivera, 32, appeared in 50 or more games per season from 2006 through 2008. In 2007, he went 4-6 with three saves and a 3.68 ERA in 85 appearances for manager Manny Acta's Natrionals. He made 30 appearances last season.

He's 13-15 with a 4.05 ERA in his big league career.

SOURCE

Mitch Talbot's stats:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/T/mitch-talbot.shtml


And more info from Castrovince:

Indians acquire pitchers Talbot, Rivera
Tribe completes trade that sent catcher Shoppach to Rays
By Anthony Castrovince / MLB.com
12/21/09 3:51 PM EST

CLEVELAND -- In selecting right-hander Mitch Talbot from the Rays as the player to be named in the Kelly Shoppach trade and signing right-hander Saul Rivera to a Minor League contract, the Indians have added two more arms and two more options to their Spring Training rotation and bullpen competitions.


Talbot, who is out of Minor League options, will come into camp to compete for a job in the rotation, while Rivera, who has logged 245 appearances with the Nationals over the past four seasons, will vie for a spot in the 'pen.

The acquisitions of the 26-year-old Talbot and the 32-year-old Rivera were announced Monday.

Shoppach, who was dealt to the Rays on Dec. 1, was given a $1.95 million contract a year ago in his first year of arbitration eligibility. Despite his subpar 2009 season, he's due to receive a raise from the Rays in his second round. Unloading that financial burden was perhaps the biggest incentive for the Indians in making the trade.

Talbot was one of two players the Indians considered as the player to be named. As part of the deal, the Indians also had to send cash to the Rays, though the exact amount was not revealed.

"There were a number of complexities to the player to be named component," assistant general manager Chris Antonetti said. "Cash was a consideration, in the event that we went with Talbot."

The Tribe had until Sunday to select the player to be named. The other player on their list to consider was right-hander Joseph Cruz, a 21-year-old who spent all of '09 at Class A Bowling Green. Had the Indians selected Cruz, it's believed they would have had to send another player to the Rays as compensation.

Why did the Indians add Talbot, who must be added to the 40-man roster and either make the Opening Day roster or be exposed to waivers?

Simply put, they like his stuff -- particularly what Antonetti called an "above-average" changeup and cutter -- and his potential to land a job.

"He's another upper-level starting option for us," Antonetti said. "He's a guy we've had interest in for quite a while. He's logged close to 400 Triple-A innings, and we're adding him to our mix to come in and compete for a spot."

Aaron Laffey, Jeremy Sowers (who is also out of options), David Huff, Carlos Carrasco and Hector Rondon will all be competing for jobs in the rotation. Jake Westbrook, Fausto Carmona and Justin Masterson can already be penciled in.

Talbot has spent the better part of the past three years at the Triple-A level, though elbow trouble limited him in '09.

Originally a second-round Draft pick by the Astros in 2002, Talbot was acquired by the Rays in the July '06 trade that sent Aubrey Huff to Houston. Talbot was named the Triple-A Charlotte Pitcher of the Year in 2007 and '08. He went 13-9 with a 3.86 ERA in 28 starts in '08 and made three appearances with the Major League club in September.

In his Minor League career, Talbot owns a 62-54 record and 3.79 ERA in 165 starts.

Talbot made just 10 starts for Triple-A Durham this year because of a right elbow sprain. He went 4-4 with a 4.47 ERA in 10 starts, walking 18 and striking out 40. He recovered from the injury in time to make two starts in the International League playoffs, and he finished the year by making six starts in the Arizona Fall League, where he was 3-0 with a 4.37 ERA.

"We saw him pitch in the fall league," Antonetti said. "We feel his stuff is back to where it was prior to the injury."

Baseball America listed Talbot as the Rays' 16th-best overall prospect entering '09. The publication also tabbed his changeup as the best in the International League after the '08 season.

As for Rivera, the 32-year-old owns a career Major League record of 13-15 with a 4.05 ERA in 245 appearances with the Nationals over the past four seasons. He has struck out 191 while walking 123 in 275 2/3 innings. Rivera made a career-high 85 appearances with the Nats in '07, and he went 5-6 with a 3.96 ERA in 76 games in '08, when he finished fourth in the NL in relief innings pitched (84).

Rivera, a Puerto Rico native, split '09 between Washington, where he was 1-3 with a 6.10 ERA in 30 appearances, and Triple-A Syracuse, where he was 2-5 with a 3.55 ERA in 30 games.

"Rivera is another guy with Major League experience," Antonetti said. "He's logged a lot of innings at the Major League level. He should come in and compete for a spot in the 'pen."

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