Should Vaccination be Mandatory

[JSS2306]

OBVIOUSLY.....

http://endtimeheadlines.org/2015/02/us-media-blackout-italian-courts-rule-vaccines-cause-autism/

http://www.healthsentinel.com/jooml...death-from-disease&catid=5:original&Itemid=24

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/zero-...vaccine-deaths-reported/#sthash.3My9vhj8.dpuf

http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccinated-children-healthier/

Please, do your own fucking research. Don't believe it just because it's there in front of you and don't believe it just because a Dr. who is paid to tell you something tells you it.

Are you being for real with those links? Honest question.

There were over 145,000 deaths due to measles worldwide in 2013. 16 deaths every hour.

84% of the world vaccinates their kids now a days which has led to a staggering 75% drop off in measles related deaths from 2000 to 2013.

 

[Sebastian]

Now to back away from the ledge of insanity, I don't think any of our libertarian friends ever answered if the intentional exposure of children to disease at so-called measles parties constitute a crime or crosses a red line of some sort. @OptimusPrime.

Interested in what @gourimoko thinks as well.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Are you being for real with those links? Honest question.

There were over 145,000 deaths due to measles worldwide in 2013. 16 deaths every hour.

84% of the world vaccinates their kids now a days which has led to a staggering 75% drop off in measles related deaths from 2000 to 2013.

If you're scared of the measles, get vaccinated. If you're scared of the flu, get vaccinated. If you're scared of EBOLA, get vaccinated.

 

[gourimoko]

Now to back away from the ledge of insanity, I don't think any of our libertarian friends ever answered if the intentional exposure of children to disease at so-called measles parties constitute a crime or crosses a red line of some sort. @OptimusPrime.

Interested in what @gourimoko thinks as well.

Totally criminal. It's child endangerment.

To deliberately infect a child with a potentially dangerous disease is not reasonable parenting by any stretch.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Sending your kid to public school is child endangerment........lol.

But seriously @gourimoko , you would consider it child endangerment if 2 families decided that they were going to expose their child to another child of the other family who had chicken pocks? As asinine as you may or may not see it, it's none of your business and it's certainly not child endangerment. I would argue that vaccinating your child is child endangerment.

I don't think I would do that but I don't care what other people do when it comes to their life, unless they are purposely hurting others, most definitely without cause (shared disease elimination is beyond me). This is my last post thanks for playing!

 

[JSS2306]

If you're scared of the measles, get vaccinated. If you're scared of the flu, get vaccinated. If you're scared of EBOLA, get vaccinated.

I'm not scared of measles because I was vaccinated at 1 years old. It's a pretty cool concept when you think about it.

Remember, 145,000 children DIE of this infection without having been vaccinated even with 84% of the world having methods of deploying the vaccine.

We've all but eradicated polio which was one of the main cause of deaths in children in the 1950's. In the United States alone, 60,000 children were paralyzed and 3,000 died. Kids were holed up in these 24/7 since they couldn't breath on their own:

It IS scary.

The IPV changed the world and was instrumental in how we deal with infectious disease in the United States and abroad. We are now able to vaccinate and prevent brain damage, paralysis, and other lifelong obstacles because we better understand the human immune system through medical science.

I don't care about any political point. The science has been well researched for over 60 years. That means something and so does the fall in mortality/symptom rate.

 

[gourimoko]

But seriously @gourimoko , you would consider it child endangerment if 2 families decided that they were going to expose their child to another child of the other family who had chicken pocks? As asinine as you may or may not see it, it's none of your business

It becomes my (society's) business when children our involved. If a person believes that he should introduce his daughters to sex by first hand experience, is that my business?

We as a society have values that we've agreed upon, and those values generally protect the welfare of children, even if it means protecting them from their parents.

A child being harmed, even by well-meaning adults, is criminal. Being in private and behind closed doors does not change that fact.

and it's certainly not child endangerment.

Of course it is. By definition Mar, you are endangering your child by deliberately attempting to infect them with a harmful and dangerous disease that they otherwise might not ever contract in their daily life.

Endanger means to "put at risk;" you are of course, putting your child at risk of contracting measles. It's doublethink to believe you aren't "endangering" your child by taking them to a measles party, regardless of what you might think about vaccinations.

I would argue that vaccinating your child is child endangerment.

I honestly feel the same way.

I'm terrified of vaccinating my children, but I still decided to do so. I rolled the dice. I don't think the science is there to say vaccines are perfectly safe or not. Studies have been done, sure, but studies can be wrong. I'm not entirely satisfied that the threshold of theory becoming probable fact has been met.

I don't think I would do that but I don't care what other people do when it comes to their life, unless they are purposely hurting others,

You just answered your own question. If someone deliberate infected you with a disease, they have harmed your person.

most definitely without cause (shared disease elimination is beyond me). This is my last post thanks for playing!

No prob!

 

[Sebastian]

Sending your kid to public school is child endangerment........lol.

But seriously @gourimoko , you would consider it child endangerment if 2 families decided that they were going to expose their child to another child of the other family who had chicken pocks? As asinine as you may or may not see it, it's none of your business and it's certainly not child endangerment. I would argue that vaccinating your child is child endangerment.

I don't think I would do that but I don't care what other people do when it comes to their life, unless they are purposely hurting others, most definitely without cause (shared disease elimination is beyond me). This is my last post thanks for playing!

Chicken Pox isn't lethal. Big difference.

 

[JSS2306]

Chicken Pox isn't lethal. Big difference.

Let's even put aside the fatal deaths due to measles, Chicken Pox aside.

In the 1960's over 4,000 children had encephalitis, which can cause severe brain damage, due to measles outbreak in the U.S.

That statistic alone towers over any pseudo argument that the anti-vaxx'ers could possibly rationalize against. There aren't even 1,000 cases of autism via vaccine by the pure innuendo crowd so why would they rather take the greater risk of autism (according to their logic, of course) by not taking a vaccine?

It doesn't even make sense from a pure numbers standpoint.

 

[OptimusPrime]

Now to back away from the ledge of insanity, I don't think any of our libertarian friends ever answered if the intentional exposure of children to disease at so-called measles parties constitute a crime or crosses a red line of some sort. @OptimusPrime.

Interested in what @gourimoko thinks as well.

I had to go read the article in the OP because I didn't know what the fuck a measles party is. That to me is pretty clearly criminal behavior. Intent to harm the child. There is no need to go get measles and get it over with. Just feed the kid right and keep them healthy and measles would be nothing if they catch it. If you are going to deliberately infect them you might as well get the vaccine.

 

[Ohdang]

I had to go read the article in the OP because I didn't know what the fuck a measles party is. That to me is pretty clearly criminal behavior. Intent to harm the child. There is no need to go get measles and get it over with. Just feed the kid right and keep them healthy and measles would be nothing if they catch it. If you are going to deliberately infect them you might as well get the vaccine.

How they think actual measles is safer than the measles vaccine is beyond me

 

[JSS2306]

I had to go read the article in the OP because I didn't know what the fuck a measles party is. That to me is pretty clearly criminal behavior. Intent to harm the child. There is no need to go get measles and get it over with. Just feed the kid right and keep them healthy and measles would be nothing if they catch it. If you are going to deliberately infect them you might as well get the vaccine.

Most cases of measles are contracted at ages 1-5 when the immune system isn't fully developed and development varies from infant to infant. It is more natural development than it is any diet at that age.

Further, why would anyone rather get their child sick with measles than simply prevent it altogether? Autism? There is literally no scientific evidence to back up such claims whereas there were over 500,000 cases of measles in the 1950's annually.

The fuck is up with these peoples math and logic?

 

[gourimoko]

How they think actual measles is safer than the measles vaccine is beyond me

They are afraid of the possibility their child might develop autism.

I can't say I blame them, I did not follow the normal vaccination schedule for my kids. I didn't give them a chickenpox vaccine, among others, until it was time for the to go to school.

I basically gave them as few vaccinations as possible spread over the longest period of time. And there was no chickenpox vaccination when I was a kid, so I simply didn't see the need.

 

[Sebastian]

Most cases of measles are contracted at ages 1-5 when the immune system isn't fully developed and development varies from infant to infant. It is more natural development than it is any diet at that age.

Further, why would anyone rather get their child sick with measles than simply prevent it altogether? Autism? There is literally no scientific evidence to back up such claims whereas there were over 500,000 cases of measles in the 1950's annually.

The fuck is up with these peoples math and logic?

The (hard core) Anti-Vaxx movement seems more religion than social issue position. Logic and facts will never change what they view as an article of faith that __________ is not only wrong, but evil.

 

[OptimusPrime]

They are afraid of the possibility their child might develop autism.

I can't say I blame them, I did not follow the normal vaccination schedule for my kids. I didn't give them a chickenpox vaccine, among others, until it was time for the to go to school.

I basically gave them as few vaccinations as possible spread over the longest period of time. And there was no chickenpox vaccination when I was a kid, so I simply didn't see the need.

As far as that goes, they might not be able link the MMR vaccine to autism, but loading up an infant with vaccines I'm sure has a very good chance of fucking them up. I wouldn't follow that kind of schedule, and I wouldn't waste my time with a chicken pox vaccine either. Even if the government mandates it.