Should Vaccination be Mandatory

[Otsego Mar]

Vaccine pioneer admits adding cancer-causing virus to Vaccine:

http://youtu.be/13QiSV_lrDQ

In this interview Dr. Maurice Hilleman reveals some astounding revelations. He admits that Merck drug company vaccines (Polio) had been deliberately contaminated with SV40, a cancer-causing monkey virus from 1953 - 63.

 

[Otsego Mar]

Most have been trained to believe that if something is published in the "Medical Literature" then it must be true.

Truth is that, just like you'd imagine, money buys nearly all things... Including "scientific belief"

A key takeaway is that many Doctors are not even aware of how these so called "truths" come about. They put their faith in the science. And why should they not? History used to celebrate and hold high, the research that was proven in double-blind placebo, studies.

Sadly these things have been overtaken by big money, big industry with deep pockets. Use your own judgement to believe what you will.

Enter, Cuckoo for cocoa puffs...

A HARVARD SCIENTIST WANTED TO SEE EXACTLY HOW EASY IT IS TO GET MEDICAL RESEARCH PUBLISHED. IN SOME CASES, $500 IS PRETTY MUCH ALL IT TAKES.

BY ELIZABETH SEGRAN

As a medical researcher at Harvard, Mark Shrime gets a very special kind of spam in his inbox: every day, he receives at least one request from an open-access medical journal promising to publish his research if he would only pay $500.

Mark Shrime
"You block one of them with your spam filter and immediately another one pops up," Shrime, an MD who is pursuing a PhD in health policy, tells me.

These emails are annoying, for sure, but Shrime was worried that there might be bigger issues at stake: What exactly are these journals publishing and who is taking these journals to be credible sources of medical information?

Shrime decided to see how easy it would be to publish an article. So he made one up. Like, he literally made one up. He did it using www.randomtextgenerator.com. The article is entitled "Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?" and its authors are the venerable Pinkerton A. LeBrain and Orson Welles. The subtitle reads: "The surgical and neoplastic role of cacao extract in breakfast cereals." Shrime submitted it to 37 journals over two weeks and, so far, 17 of them have accepted it. (They have not "published" it, but say they will as soon as Shrime pays the $500. This is often referred to as a "processing fee." Shrime has no plans to pay them.) Several have already typeset it and given him reviews, as you can see at the end of this article. One publication says his methods are "novel and innovative"!. But when Shrime looked up the physical locations of these publications, he discovered that many had very suspicious addresses; one was actually inside a strip club.

Bookmark this article.

Anyone who tells you that doctors have your best interest in mind, bring this up.

I know they do the best, for the most part, with what they have available to them. But, like most things, the game is rigged. Ask any healthcare professional what they think about this article. Hopefully they'll take it at face value.

http://m.fastcompany.com/3041493/bo...coa-puffs-was-accepted-by-17-medical-journals

 

[Ohdang]

Flu vaccine has seemed like bullshit to me from the beginning.


@Ohdang, thoughts?

I get it every year because I come into contact with sick people and their various bodily fluids on a daily basis, and that means coming into contact who who knows how many strains of influenza. Some of them are bound to be the ones I am vaccinated for, so at least I've got some protection. I haven't had the flu since middle school, and I am vaccinated every year, but I think that's more to do with my immune system. Its easy to keep it performing at a high level through adequate sleep, exercise, and diet.

So, short version, its worth it for me because of my job, but for a non medical person, you'd have more success being healthy in general than just relying on a vaccine for a virus that mutates at an alarmingly fast rate and is way ahead of our vaccinations. You should probably get it if you can get it for free since it will sometimes get lucky and be the right strain, and that might save you from a few days of feeling like shit, but I would hardly say its a bad decision not to get it.

Long version - The big problem with the flu vaccine is that influenza has so many mutations now, and plenty of hosts to incubate in and mutate even more, that the best they can do in a short time period is look and see which strains were the most prevalent the year before and make vaccines for those strains. They can't possibly make a vaccine for every strain known to us because of economic reasons, and one year is not enough time for any clinical trials of real significance, so they're just making educated guesses. Influenza is past the point of being defeated unless we somehow get a massive infusion of government money to make vaccines for everyone for every strain and convince them to get it (not happening). The flu sucks but if you get medical treatment and listen to your doctor you should live through it no problem, so its not exactly top priority. I'd rather they focus on Ebola and the like and making vaccines with better technology that have less side effects and a higher efficiency rate.

Some years, like this one, they totally miss the mark and fail miserably and people with flu vaccines and the flu flood the ER in a rage. Its been especially bad this year because not only did it do next to nothing to prevent this strain of influenza, it came at a time where there is a significant portion of the population distrusting vaccines and spreading their beliefs like its a new religion. People in general are pretty ignorant about how vaccines work, so someone who got the flu after getting the vaccine or knowing someone who did can easily be swayed into the anti-vaccine camp, despite this particular instance having absolutely no correlation with any other vaccine's effectiveness.

Our efforts to communicate facts about vaccines and try to quell the fear mongering have backfired miserably, with people deciding to double down even harder in the face of science instead of listening and trying to learn. That's the age we live in I guess. You can pull up your phone and find an article backing up any belief you want, and the confirmation bias takes hold pretty strongly as we're seeing right here in this thread with all of these truly awesome sources like endtimesdaily.com.

What's really alarming, is as adamant as I have been in this thread, I'm severely understating the problem because the more reasons I give the more resistance I meet and I don't want to push anyone to the wrong side of the aisle on vaccines.

 

[Pioneer10]

Of those with influenza, 48.9% were vaccinated. Of those without influenza, 56.2% were vaccinated. Converting those to odds gets you 0.957 for influenza positive people and 1.283 for influenza negative people. So effectiveness = 100 x (1 – (.957/1.283)) = about 25%. But that’s unadjusted. So the CDC did some adjusting, and it’s 23%.

But let’s remember the reality here. First of all, the difference in the percentages here were 49% of those with flu were vaccinated versus 56% of those without flu were vaccinated. That’s a bad year. In a good year – say 2013, the numbers were 32% and 56%. That yields an effectiveness of 62%. But even in a good year, one third of people who were influenza positive were vaccinated!

This isn’t a randomized controlled trial, and I’m not going to calculate an NNT. It’s also not a perfect methodology to establish how the influenza vaccine reduces the absolute probability of your getting the flu. But the differences between this year and others don’t seem to be as huge as many are saying they are. And it’s just a shot. It’s hard to see how the benefits don’t still massively outweigh the harms.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/w...k-this-year-may-not-really-get-effectiveness/

http://youtu.be/9_npl3A3KHQ

 

[The Oi]

Sidenote: I get on average 2 colds a year. When I was calling on primary care docs, it was more like 4-5.

In spite of All those colds, I have never once in my life had the flu.

 

[Ohdang]

My secret is 10 cock pushups a day. There's the cat, its out of the bag.

 

[The Oi]

My secret is 10 cock pushups a day. There's the cat, its out of the bag.

Need proof.

But try to keep yourself and your disgusting penis out of the shot.

 

[Willard513]

I just find people with the flu, and drink their mucous. That's how you vaccinate.

X: "If he dies, he dies"

 

[Otsego Mar]

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=111025

For the second time in just a couple years, the Italian legal system has found vaccine manufacturers GUILTY of causing autism in children with their highly toxic shots.

The court ruled that the Mercury and Aluminum in the Glaxo-Smith-Kline vaccination caused neurological damage and subsequent autism in an otherwise perfectly healthy child shortly after receiving the shot.

How long before the imbecile pro-vaxxers wake up to the facts and the truth about these deadly vaccines. Imagine the damage vaccines still do to your child even if she doesn't get the full blown autism. Vaccines are poison. The evidence is huge, multitudinous, and incontrovertible.

quote not from article

Italian Court Document

http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccine-italia-decision.pdf

1271 page GlaxoSmithKline Research Document

http://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

 

[Otsego Mar]

To the parent of an immunocompromised child who thinks my child is a threat

http://www.livingwhole.org/to-the-p...promised-child-who-thinks-my-kid-is-a-threat/

I am so sorry that your child has cancer. I cannot imagine how hard that must be for you. I am sure you are trying to do what you think is best for your child, even if that means requesting that I do something that’s not best for mine. There are no hard feelings here but I have to be honest with you…I too, have a number of emotions surging through my body right now.

Towards my children, I am feeling extra protective. Towards my rights, I am like a mean mama bear who got poked during the middle of a nap. Towards the creators of the hysteria that all of a sudden, for the first time in history, deemed one child more important and makes my child a perceived threat to everyone else’s, I am angry. Towards the parent of an immunocompromised child I am sympathetic, yet frustrated by the fact that you do not respect my choices, that you think my unvaccinated child is the only one who threatens yours, and that you would insinuate that my child should be sacrificed on the altar for your child.

By now, we’ve all been indoctrinated by the measles propaganda surrounding Disneyland. We’ve been mistakenly told that the unvaccinated are to blame, that it’s only occurring in unvaccinated individuals, and that measles disappeared 15 years ago and all of a sudden made a comeback.

In order to justify the removal of our parental rights, we’re told that the unvaccinated put infants and the immunocompromised at risk and we’re shown pictures of children suffering from cancer and other illnesses to drive this point home. We are not however, shown pictures of vaccine-injured children who have died, suffer from cancer, or have debilitating conditions caused by vaccines. No, that would be too objective.

For the sake of this letter, I’m not going to correct the inaccurate assumption that the only reason parents don’t vaccinate is because of vaccine ingredients like thimerosal, nor will I address the highly suspect studies funded by pharmaceutical companies (or entities that have incestuous relationships with pharmaceutical companies) that deem their own vaccines safe, and I dare not sway opinion with an emotional story of my son, who was vaccinated with MMR, almost died, and was subjected to a 240% increased risk of developing autism. No, I won’t show the photo of his sick, emaciated body lying in my arms after we flew across the world to be with him.

So let’s talk about measles for just a minute. It was once widespread in the U.S. I do not argue this fact. I argue that measles had significantly declined prior to the vaccine and has been and will always be a common childhood illness that when contracted at the appropriate age, yields lifetime immunity, protection against more serious diseases (like cancer) as an adult, and allows a mother to pass on the protection needed to keep her baby safe for his/her first year of life or longer.

Measles is “an illness characterized by a generalized rash lasting ≥3 days, a temperature of ≥101°F [≥38.3°C], and cough, coryza, and/or conjunctivitis.” – The CDC

Measles is typically more severe in adults but prior to the vaccine, 90% of people had it by the time they were 15 years-old and the majority of children had it during their early school years. Now, babies and adults are the at-risk populations and lack immunity because vaccines have manipulated it. Yes, every baby and adult (vaccinated or not) can ultimately thank the vaccination program for their measles. Please forward your “thank you” cards to Merck, not me.

Now, it is true, the CDC says that infected people can spread measles four days before a rash appears, but a rash isn’t the first sign of measles. According to the CDC, a person with measles will first get a fever, which “increases in stepwise fashion, often peaking as high as 103°–105°F. This is followed by the onset of cough, coryza (runny nose), or conjunctivitis.”

So is the problem with the child’s vaccination status or is it the fact that a parent had a child with a fever and/or cough and toted her kid to Disney land anyway? I mean…they did pay for a trip to see Elsa and all. This is assuming that an unvaccinated child is actually responsible for the measles outbreak at Disney and not foreign tourists.

Like all infectious diseases, measles is contagious (though it can only survive on surfaces or in air for 2 hours or less), which is why the vaccinated should avoid contact with immunocompromised people for six weeks, why parents should be trained to recognize the first signs of an illness, and why you should never blow your nose on someone else’s shirt or cough in someone else’s face.

Measles itself is unpleasant but there are rarely complications unless you consider diarrhea and ear infections (both side effects of the vaccine) “complications.” Sure, your child could get pneumonia, brain encephalitis, or die but these side effects are extremely rare in a developed country and are also side-effects of the vaccine. We haven’t had a confirmed death from measles in over 10 years.

And let’s not forget, complications occur mostly in children under the age of 5 and adults over the age of 20, two groups that are now at risk thanks to…you got it…the vaccine.

We’re told brain encephalitis and death from the MMR vaccine are “rare” but the government doesn’t deem it important enough to properly monitor what happens to our children after they’re vaccinated and there are thousands of children who prove otherwise. What we do know is that death is a possible adverse reaction, was reported in pre-licensure studies, and 140 children have died from the MMR vaccine since 2000 per the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System and that is estimated to be only 1-10% of the actual number. In addition to death and brain encephalitis, other adverse reactions to this vaccine include (but are not limited to):

Panniculitis, atypical measles, fever, syncope, headache, dizziness, irritability, vasculitis, pancreatitis, diarrhea, vomiting, parotitis, nausea, diabetes, thrombocytopenia, purpura, regional lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, anaphylaxis, arthritis, arthralgia, myalgia, encephalitis, encephalopathy, measles inclusion body encephalitis, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, Guillain-Barré Syndrome, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis, seizures, convulsions, polyneuritis, polyneuropathy, ocular palsies, paresthesia, aseptic meningitis, pneumonia, pneumonitis, sore throat, cough, rhinitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, measles-like rash [also known as measles], pruritus, nerve deafness, otitis media, retinitis, optic neuritis (i.e. blindness), papillitis, retrobulbar neuritis, conjunctivitis, epididymitis, orchitis, and death.

Whoa, calm down self.

I assume you love your child as much as I and you are making the best decisions you can for her but please realize you cannot expect my child to live in a bubble. An unvaccinated child who is actually carrying a disease could be a potential risk to your child, this is true but so is…

A child who was recently vaccinated with varicella, MMR, rotavirus, and influenza, (all live vaccines that can shed and infect yours),
A child who was vaccinated but didn’t develop immunity,
A vaccinated child who develops the disease and spreads it to others,
An adult recently vaccinated with shingles,
Every single adult (save a few exceptions) whose temporary (if any), artificial immunity they got from their childhood vaccines has long worn off,
An individual who, vaccinated or not, has any type of illness whatsoever.
Oh, you didn’t know this? If you’re a doctor, you should. It’s all right, this information is in the package inserts and the peer-reviewed data. Yet, you claim I should vaccinate my children because the MMR vaccine doesn’t work for everyone, your wife didn’t pass on the protective immunity to your baby exposure to wild measles would have given her, and you have an immunocompromised child who is at risk by both vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

Sounds like a problem with the vaccine to me and lack of knowledge parents have regarding proper disease management. Maybe we should emphasize more education and less vaccinations.

But let me tell you why I have a problem with the argument that I have to sacrifice the health of my child for yours:

First, the MMR vaccine has not been proven safe or effective so to ask me to vaccinate my child with something that hasn’t even been properly subjected to pre-licensure, double-blind, placebo-controlled studies using an inert placebo, which is the standard for evidenced based medicine is ludicrous. That’s like asking me to put on a Santa suit and jump off the roof of a house or asking me to give my child a chemotherapy drug that was tested against one of its own ingredients to determine safety.

Second, vaccinations place my children into the “at-risk” categories where measles is much more severe. I’m thinking about my babies’ babies here. Some argue that if we were vaccinated we could protect all of the old people and babies from measles. I say, why pour more of what started the fire on it? I’m personally a fan of herd immunity myself. You do know it doesn’t apply to vaccines right?

Third, it’s misleading to say that the MMR vaccine results in immunity to most who receive it without noting that the immunity given (if any) is temporary (i.e. lasting for a limited period of time). It’s like that really good date you never wanted to end or the pains of childbirth. That’s probably why vaccine-induced herd immunity is a major fail.

Fourth, there are many children who are now immunocompromised because of vaccines. Anyone who thinks otherwise is living under a rock.

Fifth, there are other ways to prevent disease that doesn’t put either of our children at risk. Even the World Health Organization recognizes that using vitamin A can reduce measles deaths by 50%.

Sixth, when our kids are sick and must go to the doctor or be admitted to a hospital, there is a waiting room full of sick people and an infinite number of viruses circulating that could make our children sick. In fact, 1 in 25 people admitted to a hospital will acquire a health-care associated infection. That’s adds up to 721,800 people each year. Although measles didn’t make the list, maybe if we didn’t make it out to be the monster that it isn’t, people wouldn’t feel the need to bring their child in when they have an infectious disease with symptoms that could easily be managed at home.

Seventh, if government and health officials really cared about the immunocompromised, they would advise the parents of recently vaccinated children to avoid public places (including schools, daycares, and Disney) where immunocompromised children could be present. They would also educate parents on recognizing the signs and symptoms of disease, show them how to manage non-emergency symptoms at home, would encourage other methods of disease prevention, and would emphasize quarantine – not for the perfectly healthy, unvaccinated children, but for any sick child.

I’m sorry your vacation came to an end but the unvaccinated parent did not cause your child’s immunocompromised condition and there is no causal connection between an unvaccinated child and your child’s exposure. A causal connection is what’s required, right?

When we take our child to a place like Disneyland, or any other public place for that matter (including a hospital), we assume the risk that we might come into contact with a sick person, someone who hasn’t washed their hands, a kid who has picked their nose, or rides that have not been properly sanitized between each use. It is not fair to require that my child get vaccinated for the benefit of yours or to force my child to live in a bubble so that yours doesn’t have to.

By the way, did you know that studies show that exposing a cancer patient to wild measles could cure them? (See the Lancet – Bluming 1971, Pasquinucci 1971, Zygier 1971, Taqi 1981 and here and here). CNN even covered the story of the Ugandan boy who went into remission after wild measles exposure but the video and article have since been taken down. No surprise there. We’re trying to make a vaccine for that. If I had a child with cancer, you better believe I’d be looking for a kid with measles. But that’s just me.

Although I sympathize with your situation, pray healing for your child, and wish your circumstances on no one, that does not give anyone the grounds to trump my parental rights. My obligation as a parent is to my children, not yours and I will always (always) put them first. Don’t take it personally. I’m just a little tired of my children being used as the scapegoats of emotional arguments and misguided assertions.

You would be too if you were told you should be jailed or sued for exercising your autonomy as a parent and your “anti-vaxxer” children should be subjected to segregation and marked like the jews. I’m scared to repeat history. Aren’t you?

 

[Otsego Mar]

Scary Measles!

https://instagram.com/p/zd6P4my2Zd/

https://instagram.com/p/zd6Ysyy2Zt/

https://instagram.com/p/zd6ixLy2aA/

https://instagram.com/p/zd60G4S2ad/

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Scary Measles!

Hey, I've got a question for you Mr. Vaccine Conspiracist. Why would so many private sector doctors, hospitals, NGO's, the government, etc., all be pushing for kids to get an MMR vaccine if they believed it did more harm than good?

Because I checked on the price, and for 10 doses, the manufacturer charges less than $20. A lousy $2/dose.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/awardees/vaccine-management/price-list/index.html

And obviously, that's not all profit, because they have to manufacturer it, ship it, etc. The actual profit they make on an annual basis off that vaccine must be pretty tiny.

So your argument boils down to a massive conspiracy between politicians, drug manufacturers, doctors, NGO's, hospitals, insurance companies, schools, etc. etc. etc.., all willing to lie and feed the population a drug they know does more harm than good....all for what's probably less than a twenty-five cents/dose profit that has to be split among all of them?

At the very least, the insurance companies have a huge vested interest in not supporting drugs they believe to be dangerous, because they're the ones who are going to be on the hook for the all the complications. Those costs would dwarf whatever their share of profit they'd supposedly get in this conspiracy.

So what's the motive for lying to all of us? Are they just trying to contaminate all our precious bodily fluids for their own nefarious ends?

 

[Otsego Mar]

The manufacturer is the bottom rung my friend. Are you aware of the cash price that pharmacies, for example, charge for a flu-shot (which is ineffective)?

Vaccines are unnecessary for the majority of the population and there is no changing my viewpoint.

 

[The Oi]

@Lord Mar has, as he often does, convinced me.

My kid was in his four month appointment and I decided literally as the needle was going into his skin, that he doesn't need a vaccine.

I currently have the doctors siphoning any potential vaccine that could have gotten into his system.

 

[Otsego Mar]

And to say that the INSURANCE companies will be on the hook is LUDICROUS.