Terrance West - Traded to Titans

[Randolphkeys]

A lot of this is unfair and extremely generalized.

Posts under 50 words are going to be generalized. Unfair is a matter of opinion, we don't agree.

1. Charles Johnson? Guy was a practice squad player and couldn't make the team - a decision originally made by Chud in 2013 and the coaching staff (Turner). They seemed plenty comfortable letting him go. He was also cut by the almighty Packers. And even still, he caught 31 balls last year... He's far from a sensation.

I was a one man Charles Johnson fan club that preseason. He had the size and skills to develop into a #1 receiver, and I felt he was hindered by always playing preseason games with Manziel or Shaw. He eventually earned that #1 role in Minnesota, so it's fair to say the size-starved receiving corp could have used him.

2. You mention Tate - who was on a 2 million dollar contract. Guy came dirt cheap and the contract structure allowed us to dump him like the trash he was. You fail to mention Whitner, Dansby, Miles Austin, and Hawkins.

I remembered Tate at 4 and McQuistan at a shade under 2 million, but I don't feel like looking it up. The point of my post overall was that Farmer cleaned house when he arrived. A few of those players - TJ Ward, Hoyer, Sheard, Cameron, and now Mack - seemed to have their replacements lined up before free agency. I see why Farmer is replacing guys quickly, sometimes even a year early, but I believe it draws out the rebuild when there are glaring holes unaddressed.

 

[Soda]

Man, if Farmer would have just nailed that Paul McQuistan signing... The Browns would be in another stratosphere..

It's funny to harp on something so innocuous and ignore signings like Whitner, Dansby, T. Williams, Randy Starks, etc. Anything to support an opinion, I guess.

 

[Binkster]

Man, if Farmer would have just nailed that Paul McQuistan signing... The Browns would be in another stratosphere..

It's funny to harp on something so innocuous and ignore signings like Whitner, Dansby, T. Williams, Randy Starks, etc. Anything to support an opinion, I guess.

Not to mention one of our most productive offensive players last year in Hawkins - a guy too frequently overlooked, IMO.

 

[Soda]

Not to mention one of our most productive offensive players last year in Hawkins - a guy too frequently overlooked, IMO.

I agree. Revisionist history minimizes how clever Farmer needed to be to sign a player from a division rival to an offer sheet that was enough to deter the team (Bengals) from matching.

 

[Randolphkeys]

It's funny to harp on something so innocuous and ignore signings like Whitner, Dansby, T. Williams, Randy Starks, etc. Anything to support an opinion, I guess.

Context. People were going off for 20 posts on Farmer's missed picks, I added some misses in free agency and the players he planned to let go who were successful elsewhere.

As I said in another post, there are some things that could have been done to ensure a quicker build. Planning to let productive players go because you draft replacements a year in advance slows the process. And what has been puzzling is that he plans on letting these players leave entering their primes while signing free agents at the end of their prime. On occasion, his replacement plans have not been what he was expecting. That's all.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Can we let the stable of players from the past two drafts have an opportunity to develop before we call our GM "terrible?"

Hard to do that when they are cut after training camp/traded one year after being drafted in the 3rd round/1st round picks who can't get on the field (excluding Shelton)

 

[Binkster]

Hard to do that when they are cut after training camp/traded one year after being drafted in the 3rd round/1st round picks who can't get on the field (excluding Shelton)

You realize that pretty much every team does or has done these things, right?

Like literally, every. single. one.

Steelers just cut their 4th round pick and have consistently whiffed on first and second rounders.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Bitonio, Kirksey, Desir, K'Waun, Crow, Gabriel, Orchard, Ibraheim Campbell, Xavier Cooper, Charles Gaines.

All of which fell somewhere between second round and undrafted. All of which have or will play a huge role on this year's team.

Celebrate the numerous hits and not the misses for once, pal.

Did you want him to sit on a locker room cancer (West) and his 3 yards a carry? He rectified a missed pick. It happens.

 

[Binkster]

And what has been puzzling is that he plans on letting these players leave entering their primes while signing free agents at the end of their prime.

Ward and Sheard? Rubin? Taylor?

Who are you referring to besides Mack?

We knew exactly who Ward and Sheard were. Solid, not special. Ward's production was replaced by Whitner and Donte's leadership eclipsed what Ward gave you exponentially. They also are a year and a half apart in age...

Sheard was solid but did not give you the production worthy of a hefty contract. He also may not have fit Pettine's schemes.

Farmer deserves to build a team he envisions that plays best within the framework of the schemes they are trying to implement.

And also, not paying top dollar for a starting center? I can sort of see where he's coming from there.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

You realize that pretty much every team does or has done these things, right?

Like literally, every. single. one.

Steelers just cut their 4th round pick and have consistently whiffed on first and second rounders.

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Bitonio, Kirksey, Desir, K'Waun, Crow, Gabriel, Orchard, Ibraheim Campbell, Xavier Cooper, Charles Gaines.

All of which fell somewhere between second round and undrafted. All of which have or will play a huge role on this year's team.

Celebrate the numerous hits and not the misses for once, pal.

Did you want him to sit on a locker room cancer (West) and his 3 yards a carry? He rectified a missed pick. It happens.

Deep breath...

How is the Steelers poor drafting reflective of us at all? That team really isn't where I would be setting the bar as they are one HOF QB away from being hot garbage. Ben has been hiding some extremely poor drafting for a while now. Saying their defense is tissue paper would be an insult to the hard working people at Kleenex.

Also when we have as much talent as the Seahawks from years of actually good drafting then we can compare our situation to theirs. A 4th round pick doesn't make Seattle's roster? Yeah, might have something to do with their roster being good enough to go to back to back super bowls. We aren't in that neighborhood, so I think it is more alarming when our first round picks aren't starting on a team that hasn't been .500 in almost a decade.

Congrats on naming a bunch of players? Yeah, they sure are on our roster still! Great job Farmer!

Oh wait, you are actually calling Kirksey, Orchard, Campbell, Cooper, and Gaines hits already. Yeah, that is part of the problem. When you remove the bar from the floor and hold people to actual standards you tend to want more out of 2 drafts than an undrafted WR and RB who have proven pretty close to nothing and a pro bowl caliber guard. Can't really comment on the rest yet because they haven't played, which I guess was your original point. But I still wouldn't call them hits. That is being extremely generous.

 

[Binkster]

tend to want more out of 2 drafts than an undrafted WR and RB who have proven pretty close to nothing and a pro bowl caliber guard.

And therein lies my point. You've given one year to allow the 2014 picks to establish themselves in the NFL and ZERO time to allow the 2015 guys to develop.

Let's talk in like 2-3 years and see where we're at.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

And therein lies my point. You've given one year to allow the 2014 picks to establish themselves in the NFL and ZERO time to allow the 2015 guys to develop.

Let's talk in like 2-3 years and see where we're at.

Fair enough. I hope like hell in 2-3 years I am dead wrong.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Ward and Sheard? Rubin? Taylor?

Who are you referring to besides Mack?

We knew exactly who Ward and Sheard were. Solid, not special. Ward's production was replaced by Whitner and Donte's leadership eclipsed what Ward gave you exponentially. They also are a year and a half apart in age...

Sheard was solid but did not give you the production worthy of a hefty contract. He also may not have fit Pettine's schemes.

Farmer deserves to build a team he envisions that plays best within the framework of the schemes they are trying to implement.

And also, not paying top dollar for a starting center? I can sort of see where he's coming from there.

I'm not going to go into a win/loss for every position, that isn't a response post, it's a blog entry. Actually, a good idea at that, I'll save it for the bye week.

Whitner is a great leader, but he is in his 10th year rather than TJ Ward's 6th. Dansby is 33 years old, Tramon 32, Starks 31. And I consider those Farmer's best signings along with Kruger. So will they be around two years from now? Its a big maybe. Sure Farmer has the right to flip the roster in his own vision. In some cases, I'm wondering what the team will look like 2 years down the road. I certainly hope some of these young guys pull a Tashaun Gipson or a Desmond Bryant and get better year by year.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Posts under 50 words are going to be generalized. Unfair is a matter of opinion, we don't agree.



I was a one man Charles Johnson fan club that preseason. He had the size and skills to develop into a #1 receiver, and I felt he was hindered by always playing preseason games with Manziel or Shaw. He eventually earned that #1 role in Minnesota, so it's fair to say the size-starved receiving corp could have used him.



I remembered Tate at 4 and McQuistan at a shade under 2 million, but I don't feel like looking it up. The point of my post overall was that Farmer cleaned house when he arrived. A few of those players - TJ Ward, Hoyer, Sheard, Cameron, and now Mack - seemed to have their replacements lined up before free agency. I see why Farmer is replacing guys quickly, sometimes even a year early, but I believe it draws out the rebuild when there are glaring holes unaddressed.

Yeah, whoever brought up the # of catches he had last year is a little off on what his true impact for us was. Sure, he only caught 31 balls, but he did that in essentially 7 weeks, as he only became a starter by week 10...he had 6 combined catches the previous 5 weeks before overtaking Cordarrelle Patterson.

And this was coming off of a serious knee injury, so he couldn't use his athleticism as much as he wanted and couldn't quite use his big body for contested catches just yet...he was easily the most talented WR in our group this camp, was impressive in his limited preseason action, and he has great chemistry with Teddy. Will forever love the Browns for poaching Rodney Smith from us through waivers, which eventually paved the way for CJ to get more PT.

 

[natedagg]

I'm not going to go into a win/loss for every position, that isn't a response post, it's a blog entry. Actually, a good idea at that, I'll save it for the bye week.

Whitner is a great leader, but he is in his 10th year rather than TJ Ward's 6th. Dansby is 33 years old, Tramon 32, Starks 31. And I consider those Farmer's best signings along with Kruger. So will they be around two years from now? Its a big maybe. Sure Farmer has the right to flip the roster in his own vision. In some cases, I'm wondering what the team will look like 2 years down the road. I certainly hope some of these young guys pull a Tashaun Gipson or a Desmond Bryant and get better year by year.

I mean there are exceptions to every rule and all that, but generally speaking, I think to change the culture of a locker room to professionalism, accountability, and trust, you have to get the Dansby's, Tramon's, and Hitners. I really love those signings and with a vacuum of leadership (in the absence of their signings), do some of these other young guys develop into good players?

I am not saying Farmer has crushed it, and since his drafts are graded incomplete for the most part, I think the appropriate move is to continue with him and allow him to execute his turnaround plan.

That said, in a clearly hypothetical realm, if we had to sacrifice Farmer for a new owner, I would personally pay for @David. to Uber Farmer out of town. Haslam has shady aura about him, and I just can't shake the notion that it trickles down our entire organization.

 

[Jack Brickman]

That said, in a clearly hypothetical realm, if we had to sacrifice Farmer for a new owner, I would personally pay for @David. to Uber Farmer out of town. Haslam has shady aura about him, and I just can't shake the notion that it trickles down our entire organization.

Knowing our luck, the new owner would be caught trafficking Nazi gold within two months.