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Pretty sure TJ House is out of options, since they put him on the 40 man in 2012. So unless the Tribe plan is to put him in the bullpen signing another starter doesn't make too much sense, especially with Zach McAllister possibly already there along with Tomlin, if he remains himself. So I would be surprised if the Tribe spends their limited resources on a starter, unless the plan is to deal one fo the young guys to get said starter- like a veteran lefty. Just my thoughts. I think a quality bat or two would do much more for this club than forcing House to the bullpen. Tribe would be better off either trading for a young guy they can work in at AAA or going with a cavalcade of reclamation projects there. If there were question marks about any other starter than House- who has not only produced but been an actual lefty, which is what this rotation needs- I would be more for it. Or if the incoming starter is a lefty, they get them via trade, and they use House.

Either way, still not sure why this rotation would not excite people. Like saying 'no way the Cavs gets through the season with Irving and Love on the court the whole time'. Well, no duh, doesn't mean it will not be an outstanding staff to watch. Unless Carrasco keeps throwing his teammates under the bus...

-I think with the way McAllister has pitched out of the pen, they'll look to keep him there.

-The Indians love their SP depth. They're of the philosophy that you can never have enough. I fully expect them to add at least 2-3 SP to add to the depth. Now, they definitely won't all be for major league deals or for big $, but I definitely expect them to add at least 1 SP to a major league deal for at least a few M per year.

-House was added to the 40 man right before the Rule V Draft in December of 2012, which means his 1st season as part of the 40 man was in 2013. I may be wrong, but I believe he may have 1 more option left. Someone feel free correct me if I'm wrong. That's not to say House hasn't earned a spot, but he'd obviously be the odd man out if we were to sign a vet to bring aboard.

-Agree a hitter or 2 is more important than a SP, I just think we'll add both.

-Completely agree about being excited for this staff. It makes no sense to say "Those 5 won't be the rotation the entire season", as that rarely ever happens in the majors. There's always injuries. It'll be crazy fun to watch this staff next season.
 
If the Indians really wanted to go for it they could trade for Beltre and sign Michael Cuddyer.

L-CF-Bourn
R-RF-Cuddyer
L-LF-Brantley
R-3B-Beltre
S-1B-Santana
R-C-Gomes
L-2B-Kipnis
S-DH-Swisher
S-SS-Ramirez

Bench - Perez/Chisenhall/Aviles/Murphy
 
Cuddyer is a guy just begging for a regression, I want no part of that for any real money or long-term investment.
 
Cuddyer is a guy just begging for a regression, I want no part of that for any real money or long-term investment.

I agree long-term, but a shorter deal? My worry would be more about injuries than regression - he posted .357/.392/.714 in the 2nd half, pretty strong numbers.
 
I agree long-term, but a shorter deal? My worry would be more about injuries than regression - he posted .357/.392/.714 in the 2nd half, pretty strong numbers.

HIs home/road splits are staggering.
 
I'm not in a huge rush to move Lonnie to the bench. He'll be 26 when next season starts IIRC and he is coming off his best season. Might as well see what he can bring next season before pushing hard for a replacement.

If anything I'm looking for a RF/DH before I upgrade 3B.
 
I'm not in a huge rush to move Lonnie to the bench. He'll be 26 when next season starts IIRC and he is coming off his best season. Might as well see what he can bring next season before pushing hard for a replacement.

If anything I'm looking for a RF/DH before I upgrade 3B.

I honestly think they need to upgrade at RF AND 3B to seriously contend. Lonnie can get plenty of ABs backing up 3B, 1B, and possibly even RF as well as DH.

The absolute worst thing they could do is simply bank on Kipnis, Chisenhall, Swisher, and Bourn improving.
 
Expecting a young player to progress is a lot different than expecting a veteran to stop declining.
 
I'm not in a huge rush to move Lonnie to the bench. He'll be 26 when next season starts IIRC and he is coming off his best season. Might as well see what he can bring next season before pushing hard for a replacement.

If anything I'm looking for a RF/DH before I upgrade 3B.

The only positions we are able to upgrade are RF & 3B and honestly, I don't think 1 hitter will be enough, so we need to upgrade wherever the opportunity presents itself for those 2 positions. And Chis will get plenty of AB's backing up DH/1B/3B/RF
 
I'd argue that Chisenhall has earned the right to be given the chance to progress at 3B.

Preferably they could find a right-hand platoon option in the outfield. Getting Kipnis healthy will be a boost, but they'll have to get creative with the roster space due to the contract of Swisher.
 
I'd argue that Chisenhall has earned the right to be given the chance to progress at 3B.

Preferably they could find a right-hand platoon option in the outfield. Getting Kipnis healthy will be a boost, but they'll have to get creative with the roster space due to the contract of Swisher.

They need to stop with the platoon. I understand it's their preference & our lack of being able to compete for big $ guys may cause us to go that route, but they need a legit guy at either 3B or RF that can play everyday and provide power from the right side.

Don't forget Bourn. He's a waste of a leadoff hitter right now, is only a "threat" to steal because of his past reputation as a base stealer, and doesn't do anything all that great at this point.
 
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Yeah, it's next to impossible, but I'd love to dump Bourn and Swisher.

When healthy, Bourn is still a serviceable MLB player, but he's lost his main weapon of elite speed due to aging and injury. Hopefully Swisher can just come to camp healthy and provide effective at-bats at DH and 1B, but I'm not expecting a thing out of him at this point.
 
They need to stop with the platoon. I understand it's the way we need to do things, but they need a legit guy at either 3B or RF that can play everyday and provide power from the right side.

Don't forget Bourn. He's a waste of a leadoff hitter right now, is only a "threat" to steal because of his past reputation as a base stealer, and doesn't do anything all that great at this point.
To piggyback on that, it's pretty much Bourn hitting lead off, and whoever the SS is batting 2nd. It just kills potential rallies before they even have a chance to start. I understand there are people here who are actually high on Jose Ramirez, but he doesn't get on base, and really shouldn't be hitting 2nd. But it's not just him, Francona had Aviles hitting 2nd when he played short stop too. It's infuriating. It's always two guys who can't get on base hitting in front of Brantley and Santana. I'd actually like to see Santana hit 2nd, as weird as it sounds..

Also, if anyone has ESPN insider, can they post this article? http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post?id=2838&ex_cid=espnapi_public

I'm curious as to what KLaw thought of Gomes' season (he's tagged in the article), because prior to the season he didn't think Gomes was an everyday player.
 
Players who've exceeded my expectations
By Keith Law
This is the third annual installment of what I think of as the "guys I got wrong" piece. I'll look at players who've become much better big leaguers than I ever forecast them to be, and try to explain where I made mistakes in evaluating them.

In the past two editions, I discussed only players I had offered strong opinions about, saying they wouldn't be as successful as they became. This year I've included some players I didn't discuss much as prospects or young major leaguers, errors of omission that are errors nonetheless.

Jonathan Lucroy, C, Milwaukee Brewers


Lucroy made my top 10 Brewers prospects list just once, going into 2010, the first year I did a full top-10 ranking for all 30 teams. That list turned out to be well-stocked with future big leaguers:

1. Brett Lawrie, 2B
2. Alcides Escobar, SS
3. Eric Arnett, RHP
4. Kyle Heckathorn, RHP
5. Jonathan Lucroy, C
6. Wily Peralta, RHP
7. Lorenzo Cain, CF
8. Jake Odorizzi, RHP
9. Kentrail Davis, LF
10. Zach Braddock, LHP

Arnett, Heckathorn and Davis had just been drafted and the shine hadn't come off them yet; the real stars of that draft class turned out to be seventh-rounder Khris Davis, 16th-rounder Scooter Gennett and 22nd-rounder Mike Fiers.

In Lucroy's case, the stats told a more accurate story than the scouting reports did. Lucroy walked more than he struck out as a 23-year-old in Double-A, with a .380 OBP (fifth in the league among players with more than 100 games) and some doubles power. He also had thrown out 40 percent of opposing base stealers. But Lucroy had a very short swing as an amateur and made what appeared to be only slight adjustments to start his hands further back, changes that I incorrectly assumed wouldn't lead to much more pop. Those little tweaks made his swing much more rotational, however, and he has been consistent with isolated power (ISO) figures in the .150-.200 range, this year likely cracking the 70 extra-base hit mark. I assumed that his lack of power would lead to major league pitchers being willing to attack him rather than give him the free passes he'd earned in Double-A, but my premise was false; he developed more power than I foresaw.

I don't think I had even considered pitch-framing as a skill back when Lucroy was an amateur, and Lucroy didn't have a reputation among scouts as a great defender beyond his arm, but he has turned out to be a solid-to-average receiver with great framing ability. Add that to the unexpected power boost, and you see why I missed on a player who already has a 6.3 WAR this season, tied for seventh in the majors.

Todd Frazier, 3B, Cincinnati Reds


I was back and forth on Frazier throughout his time as a prospect, listing him at No. 66 in my top 100 before 2010, then dropping him off the list and to the back of Cincinnati's top 10 after a mediocre season in Triple-A at age 24. I never liked Frazier's swing, which had a large hitch at its start that created a preset uphill path through the ball, but I saw his strong results through Double-A as a sign he'd produce offensively. He has lessened that hitch over time, but more importantly, his hands are so strong and quick that he has been able to hit for contact at a better rate in the majors than he did in his two-plus years in Triple-A.

He does a lot of damage when he does make contact despite below-average swing-and-miss rates on a pitch-by-pitch basis. Frazier also has worked to become a solid-to-average defender at third base, enough to make him a 4-WAR player by both Baseball-Reference.com and FanGraphs. If Frazier hit better in Triple-A, I might have stayed with him after ranking him in the top 100, and if he didn't have that unorthodox swing, I might have liked him more going back to his college days. But I dinged him on the swing mechanics from the very start, and that led me to be inconsistent in my projections for him when his performance varied.

Kyle Seager, 3B, Seattle Mariners


This one is pretty simple: I never saw the possibility of Seager hitting 20-25 homers a year when he was an amateur and the second-best position player on his own college team behind Dustin Ackley. Seager has reached 20 homers in three straight seasons, with no real help from his home park or all the road games he plays in Anaheim and Oakland every year. I'm not surprised he's developed into a better-than-average defender at third base, given how strong his baseball acumen is, but I whiffed on his power by about 50 percent. He's now a 4-5 WAR player, and I thought he'd be somewhere below 3, and the power is the primary reason I was off.

Yan Gomes, C, Cleveland Indians


Gomes was just a guy -- as opposed to a #GUY -- when Toronto shipped him and Mike Aviles to Cleveland for Esmil Rogers after the 2012 season. Gomes was a fringy bat without a clear position. He had very little minor league experience overall, with just 172 games behind the plate before the trade. He was only a part-time catcher with some arm strength, but none of the refined skills that would point to him excelling at the position.

Last month I wrote about his emergence and why I believe it's real, but I confess I had no expectation that he'd become a plus defender at the time he was traded.

While I'm looking at the Indians, I would include pitcher Corey Kluber here, too. It's not that I ever dismissed Kluber, but I never discussed him anywhere despite strong minor league strikeout numbers. I mentioned him exactly once in all his time in pro ball before this season -- when he was traded from San Diego to Cleveland -- even though he clearly should have ranked among the top 50 prospects in baseball.


Jose Quintana, SP, Chicago White Sox


Is Quintana the most anonymous 5-WAR pitcher in baseball? He cracked that mark last year if you base his WAR off his ERA, and did so again this year if you base it off his FIP (the two main methods, used by Baseball-Reference.com and FanGraphs, respectively). Even playing for a team that hasn't been in the playoff hunt the past few years, Quintana seems to have flown especially under the radar. He signed with the Mets as an amateur in 2006, pitched five innings, was released, and then resurfaced with the Yankees in 2008 in the Dominican Summer League (he's actually Colombian). He reached the U.S. in 2010 and threw 102 innings as a starter and reliever in high Class A in 2010. The Yankees chose not to add him to the 40-man roster that winter, making him a free agent because he'd previously been released by another organization, and the White Sox signed him to pitch in Double-A. By May he was in the big leagues, and he has given the White Sox 85 starts and more than 500 innings, all for a tiny initial investment.

Quintana has improved his cutter since joining Chicago, which is about the least shocking thing imaginable given how much success White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper has had teaching that pitch. Both the cutter and changeup grade out as at least above-average, if not plus. But the real key for Quintana has been his outstanding fastball command; he doesn't throw hard, but he locates extremely well, gets ahead in the count early, and doesn't pitch away from contact. I don't think his low home run rate this year will last, especially not with half his games in a home run park, but the rest of his formula for success is sustainable.

J.D. Martinez, LF, Detroit Tigers


I wasn't the only one who missed on Martinez, but the reason we all were light on him is instructive: Players change, in ways that statistical projections can't foresee and scouts can only speculate about. I didn't like Martinez's swing, his lack of plate discipline, or his poor defense in left field when he was a hot-hitting prospect in the Astros' farm system. After nearly 1,000 at-bats in Houston, he appeared to be a washout.

Martinez retooled his swing last offseason -- lowering his hands, getting his body more upright, and increasing his stride for more weight transfer. It's resulted in a huge increase in power, from a .136 career ISO coming into 2014 to a .257 ISO this year. Maybe I should have ranked him in the Astros' top 10 somewhere while he was coming up, but could anyone have foreseen him developing into a 60 extra-base-hit guy given his tools and swing mechanics at the time?

Jacob deGrom, SP, New York Mets


I think I ranked deGrom aggressively before 2013, or I thought I did, putting him No. 10 in the Mets' system on the basis of some very good reports on his fastball and breaking ball during his half-season back from Tommy John surgery. He had a solid 2013 season across three levels, but his strikeout rates didn't match his stuff, and most scouts I talked with seemed to think he'd end up a reliever, behind more advanced Mets prospects such as Rafael Montero. As a result, I pushed him back slightly to No. 12 in their system.

Of course, deGrom has been one of the NL's best rookies this year, showing a four-pitch mix -- three of the pitches are at least solid-average -- with the best strikeout rate of his career. He misses bats in and out of the zone, his control is already above-average, and he's so athletic that his command may still improve because he can repeat his delivery so easily. He's also a pretty good hitter, enough for it to make a difference in his value to the Mets.
 
To piggyback on that, it's pretty much Bourn hitting lead off, and whoever the SS is batting 2nd. It just kills potential rallies before they even have a chance to start. I understand there are people here who are actually high on Jose Ramirez, but he doesn't get on base, and really shouldn't be hitting 2nd. But it's not just him, Francona had Aviles hitting 2nd when he played short stop too. It's infuriating. It's always two guys who can't get on base hitting in front of Brantley and Santana. I'd actually like to see Santana hit 2nd, as weird as it sounds..

Also, if anyone has ESPN insider, can they post this article? http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/keith-law/post?id=2838&ex_cid=espnapi_public

I'm curious as to what KLaw thought of Gomes' season (he's tagged in the article), because prior to the season he didn't think Gomes was an everyday player.

I think Bourn led off and Ramirez hit 2nd because there wasn't really another option. I'm not opposed to shifting either out of those spots in 2015, I'm just pointing out the lack of options this season.
 

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