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The Andre Drummond Thread
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Can't figure this out either. I mean they don't hardly give him the ball unless it's a lob or unless he gets a rebound, so maybe not many chances to foul him?
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Another weird night in terms of +/- for Drummond.
He posted another pretty stat line in a win against the Knicks: 13 points (6-7 FG), 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals in 36 minutes. But then here's the +/- for the starting five: Monroe is +10, Smith is +9, Jennings is +3, KCP is +12, and then there's Drummond who is somehow -6.
I'm pretty high on Drummond (though I manage to do it without deprecating Dion), but the strangely poor on-court/off-court and +/- numbers he has posted in the early going are certainly concerning.
He posted another pretty stat line in a win against the Knicks: 13 points (6-7 FG), 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals in 36 minutes. But then here's the +/- for the starting five: Monroe is +10, Smith is +9, Jennings is +3, KCP is +12, and then there's Drummond who is somehow -6.
I'm pretty high on Drummond (though I manage to do it without deprecating Dion), but the strangely poor on-court/off-court and +/- numbers he has posted in the early going are certainly concerning.
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It is the reverse situation of TT last eason. Some nights TT posted below average numbers but have the highest +/- on the team.
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So what you're saying is that he essentially is the JJ Hickson of centers? :chuckles: Kinda makes sense though. JJ could put up monster stat lines at times like 25/15, and then end up -21 or some stupid shit like that. The entire league caught onto his shit and didn't buy into the stat stuffer stat lines. I'm not saying that Drummond will end up like that, but the similarities thus far this season are there.
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Are people on this site still trying to pretend that Hickson isn't a solid player in this league?
The guy is a walking double double folks.
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Are people on this site still trying to pretend that Hickson isn't a solid player in this league?The guy is a walking double double folks.
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With a bit more digging, I found that something that may explain this a bit is that the Pistons' most used lineups (and most used that include Drummond) are with Smith at the 3, but their best defensive lineups are with Smith in at the 4. Smith is obviously the biggest defensive play maker they have and he's far better defending when he's at the 4 which does not coincide with Drummond on the floor that often and hence, results in a worse team defense when Drummond is on the floor.
While that does not absolve Drummond of blame, it does tell you that there are other important factors in play and that calling him JJ Hickson (who is actually a solid though certainly unspectacular NBA player) is probably a bit too far.
The free throw shooting is beyond abysmal and has to some how be addressed, but Drummond has been a monster during this stretch of 7 double doubles in a row.
14.1 points
14.3 boards
1.6 blocks
2.1 steals
71% FG
On the season he is averaging 12/12. The only other guys doing that right now are Love/Howard.
I think STAT was dead on in his analysis with why Drummond's +/- numbers have been bad. Josh Smith came off the bench last night, and while the Piston's lost by 7 Drummond posted a +3 on the night. There very well might be something to the issue with the defensive line-ups as he was mentioning.
Regardless, I am just amazed that he has been able to transfer his Per36 production from last season as a back-up playing against back-ups into a starters role playing starters minutes (against other teams starters) and it hasn't hurt his efficiency one bit. PER is still over 21.
14.1 points
14.3 boards
1.6 blocks
2.1 steals
71% FG
On the season he is averaging 12/12. The only other guys doing that right now are Love/Howard.
I think STAT was dead on in his analysis with why Drummond's +/- numbers have been bad. Josh Smith came off the bench last night, and while the Piston's lost by 7 Drummond posted a +3 on the night. There very well might be something to the issue with the defensive line-ups as he was mentioning.
Regardless, I am just amazed that he has been able to transfer his Per36 production from last season as a back-up playing against back-ups into a starters role playing starters minutes (against other teams starters) and it hasn't hurt his efficiency one bit. PER is still over 21.
Until his FT shooting improves they can't give him the ball. It is part of why he gets no offensive plays and his only points come off lobs and put backs.
Going forward it will hold his development back if it doesn't change, and will relegate him to strictly the garbage stuff he is getting now.
Some have wondered why hack-a-drummond hasn't started, and it is because they know they can't let him have the ball near the block because that is what teams will do.
That isn't sustainable going forward for a franchise big man.