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Seriously though, you're not helping.
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I don't understand what that means, but OK.
I'd call it realistic, and that you're misappropriating the lions share of credit for TEAM victories. He hasn't been good consistently, but the team is winning.
Doesn't mean I have to falsely associate that with good play.
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So long as it keeps being used to overshadow average to below average play.
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Miles Austin is 6-4. He keeps winning, not sure why we want Gordon back.
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Don't think we have a whole lot to discuss if you're going to say that the WR position has the same (or even similar) impact to a game as the QB.
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/20/brian-hoyer-contract/
What Is Hoyer Worth?
The “Wet Blanket of Reason” assesses one of his favorite quarterbacks and breaks down an X's and O's question with some help from former NFL QB Sage Rosenfels. Plus, five thoughts going into Week 12
We’re going a little bit outside the box in this week’s #SettleThis, answering questions (with some expert help) about Mike protection schemes, coaching backgrounds, and just how good Brian Hoyer really is. As always your input is valued, so send over any queries to talkback@themmqb.com.
#SettleThis: How good is Brian Hoyer really and what kind of contact should he get, if any?
—Everett Williams (@EvSynWilliams)
Oh boy, now you’re going near and dear to my heart. It’s not a secret that I have been an unabashed fan of Hoyer’s (as a player and as a person) for some time. In my opinion, he would have competed and won a starting job much sooner if the Patriots didn’t wait until the final cut to release him in 2012; it was way too late for him to have a chance elsewhere. But that’s the way things go in the NFL. The Patriots needed to make sure Ryan Mallett didn’t get hurt before the start of the season, so that was that.
That being said, I’ve been realistic about Hoyer. And even after watching him this season, Hoyer is the same guy he has always been to me: a slightly above average starter with good arm strength, streaky accuracy and off-the-charts intangibles. You can win with him if you have a strong running game and defense. Yes, he’s 9-4 as the Browns’ starter the past two seasons, but you can’t be blinded by a quarterback’s win-loss record. If you do, you end up giving big money to Matt Cassel or Derek Anderson.
As for what kind of contract Hoyer is going to get, and who is going to give it to him after this season (he’s making $1.2 million in 2014), we all know it’s going to come down to how he finishes. If Hoyer and the Browns falter down the stretch and don’t make the playoffs, his value goes way down. If Hoyer can get the Browns to the postseason for the first time since 2002 and, perhaps, win a game, his value skyrockets. So this is really a question for after this season, in my opinion.
If Hoyer keeps the Browns afloat the rest of the way, the team is obviously in a very tough spot. They traded up to select Johnny Manziel in the first round, so he’s looming. But he’s also, from what I know, far from a sure thing. What the Browns would want is a situation similar to what the 49ers had a few years ago with a promising prospect (Colin Kaepernick) and a veteran (Alex Smith) to play until the young guy was ready. This is a bit different because no one else wanted Smith at the time he was given a new contract. If Hoyer plays well down the stretch and reaches the postseason, he’ll have plenty of suitors. In that scenario, if I’m the Browns I’m placing the transition tag (about $16 million) on Hoyer to delay the decision. Cleveland will have upwards of $50 million in cap space. Any contract extension by the Brown or another team is probably going to be similar to the one the Bengals’ Andy Dalton got (six years and $96 million, but could be just two years and $27 million with $18 million up front). Unless Hoyer wins a playoff game, I wouldn’t be ready to go there just yet. If I’m the Browns, I keep my options open as long as possible.
What Is Hoyer Worth?
The “Wet Blanket of Reason” assesses one of his favorite quarterbacks and breaks down an X's and O's question with some help from former NFL QB Sage Rosenfels. Plus, five thoughts going into Week 12
We’re going a little bit outside the box in this week’s #SettleThis, answering questions (with some expert help) about Mike protection schemes, coaching backgrounds, and just how good Brian Hoyer really is. As always your input is valued, so send over any queries to talkback@themmqb.com.
#SettleThis: How good is Brian Hoyer really and what kind of contact should he get, if any?
—Everett Williams (@EvSynWilliams)
Oh boy, now you’re going near and dear to my heart. It’s not a secret that I have been an unabashed fan of Hoyer’s (as a player and as a person) for some time. In my opinion, he would have competed and won a starting job much sooner if the Patriots didn’t wait until the final cut to release him in 2012; it was way too late for him to have a chance elsewhere. But that’s the way things go in the NFL. The Patriots needed to make sure Ryan Mallett didn’t get hurt before the start of the season, so that was that.
That being said, I’ve been realistic about Hoyer. And even after watching him this season, Hoyer is the same guy he has always been to me: a slightly above average starter with good arm strength, streaky accuracy and off-the-charts intangibles. You can win with him if you have a strong running game and defense. Yes, he’s 9-4 as the Browns’ starter the past two seasons, but you can’t be blinded by a quarterback’s win-loss record. If you do, you end up giving big money to Matt Cassel or Derek Anderson.
As for what kind of contract Hoyer is going to get, and who is going to give it to him after this season (he’s making $1.2 million in 2014), we all know it’s going to come down to how he finishes. If Hoyer and the Browns falter down the stretch and don’t make the playoffs, his value goes way down. If Hoyer can get the Browns to the postseason for the first time since 2002 and, perhaps, win a game, his value skyrockets. So this is really a question for after this season, in my opinion.
If Hoyer keeps the Browns afloat the rest of the way, the team is obviously in a very tough spot. They traded up to select Johnny Manziel in the first round, so he’s looming. But he’s also, from what I know, far from a sure thing. What the Browns would want is a situation similar to what the 49ers had a few years ago with a promising prospect (Colin Kaepernick) and a veteran (Alex Smith) to play until the young guy was ready. This is a bit different because no one else wanted Smith at the time he was given a new contract. If Hoyer plays well down the stretch and reaches the postseason, he’ll have plenty of suitors. In that scenario, if I’m the Browns I’m placing the transition tag (about $16 million) on Hoyer to delay the decision. Cleveland will have upwards of $50 million in cap space. Any contract extension by the Brown or another team is probably going to be similar to the one the Bengals’ Andy Dalton got (six years and $96 million, but could be just two years and $27 million with $18 million up front). Unless Hoyer wins a playoff game, I wouldn’t be ready to go there just yet. If I’m the Browns, I keep my options open as long as possible.
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I'm comfortable with that to keep Manziel off the field another 2-3 seasons.
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I can honestly see how folks don't see value in Hoyer if considering intangible traits is not in the cards. It's probably his best trait and one that doesn't really get any attention by stat-religious folk. I suppose that's OK, but it paints a very different picture of the QB's/Hoyer's value to the team overall.