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The Fire Pat Shurmur Thread

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just to make you feel better there were actually 4 and a half minutes left when the browns went for it. :drink:

I really don't think the players respect him, and I don't blame them. He really might be the worst coach I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen a guy with so many weaknesses. He can't game plan, he can't motivate, his players always come out flat, he is horrible at clock management, he can't make game day decisions, he can't discipline his team, he can't get them to cut down on penalties (multiple illegal formations? Are you kidding me?), he can't call plays, he can't make halftime adjustments, he can't develop players. I honestly can't think of a single thing he does well. Every week he finds a new way to piss me off.
 
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It's funny usually in a "fire" thread, you'll have one or two people who will stick up for a coach or thinks there are valid reasons that a coach should stay. Even Eric Mangini and Manny Acta still had supporters after they were fired. There is NO-ONE who disagrees and thinks Shurmur should stay. Every single person is for getting rid of this bozo. That is unprecedented for a sports message board.
 
Yesterday was the most disheartening thing to happen this season for the Browns, IMO.

Say what you want about his attitude on the field, which seems quite normal, but his demeanor in the locker-room is wasting the youth Heckert has put on the roster. These guys want to be pumped up and want to have an identity of a chipper team; however, the coach lacks the fire and doesn't make up for it with Coughlin or Belichick silent-genius game-planning. My BIGGEST issue with Shurmur is that he has instilled nothing that differentiates the Browns from any other team.

Last week, you could find me saying that Shurmur has an opportunity to change his fortune. Today, I think he has one foot out the door. I can't damn him and call him names as he leaves, though. He sucked, but he is swinging.
 
There is NO-ONE who disagrees and thinks Shurmur should stay. Every single person is for getting rid of this bozo. That is unprecedented for a sports message board.

Give it time. I'm sure b00bie is crafting a post full of bullshit defending Shurmur and blaming it all on Weeden.
 
Shurmurs 2012 Situational Playcall Percentages:

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3rd down explains a lot.
 
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If I'm Haslam I call a press conference at the practice facility and invite Pat up. Then *fake handshake to middle finger and a stone cold stunner*. Enough with this circus.
 
It's funny usually in a "fire" thread, you'll have one or two people who will stick up for a coach or thinks there are valid reasons that a coach should stay. Even Eric Mangini and Manny Acta still had supporters after they were fired. There is NO-ONE who disagrees and thinks Shurmur should stay. Every single person is for getting rid of this bozo. That is unprecedented for a sports message board.

Challenge accepted.

Devil's advocate time: Why we shouldn't fire Pat Shurmur mid-season:

Jimmy Haslam took this team over officially in October, and, as a result, Shurmur was guaranteed to coach half way into this season. After spending $1 billion dollars on the team and having a desire to be an active owner, there's not much room to doubt that Haslam wants to put his own spin on this team, and see if he can pioneer the turnaround of this increasingly pathetic franchise. For that reason alone, Shurmur was likely going to be fired. Now we're heading into the bye-week at 2-7, and even skeptical fans hoped this team would have managed 3 or 4 wins by now. Instead, we have seen 9 weeks of inept play-calling, second guessing, poor communication and poor discipline. Haslam has no fear of being criticized for changing coaches out at the end of the year.

However, if Haslam fired Shurmur now, and an interim coach was to be hired (say, Jauron or Chilly), there is a chance, however small, that the interim coach could have a great deal of success. What if the guy replacing Shurmur won out the rest of the season? Or what if he managed a 6-1 or 5-2 record at the home stretch? It would be great as a Browns fan, but it would put Haslam in a tough spot. With such a small sample size, there's no guarantee the interim coach was actually any good. But firing a guy who won the last 5-7 games could upset a fan base starved for success, and its certainly not the way a new owner would want to start his legacy with his franchise. Shurmur could do the same thing: He could manage to win a majority of the games at the end of the season, but he has already made enough mistakes to justify his dismissal at the end of the season, regardless of how he finishes out. If Haslam wants to bring in a new regime and a change of guard, he can't get started until the off-season. So, in the meantime, perhaps the best solution is to write off this season, and let Shurmur captain the Titanic until it hits rock bottom.
 
Shurmurs 2012 Situational Playcall Percentages:

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3rd down explains a lot.

Those charts are funny if true. We pass the ball more than 50% of the time on every scenario except 2nd and short. (Excluding all 4th down scenarios where we punt most of the time). Incredible.
 
Those charts are funny if true. We pass the ball more than 50% of the time on every scenario except 2nd and short. (Excluding all 4th down scenarios where we punt most of the time). Incredible.

and like 100% of that time it's a short pass. Definitely incredible. I will now refer to Pat as Pat DERDER.
 
Can't decide between 3rd and short = 60% short passing, or 3rd and long = 64% short passing as my favorite stat...
 
Even the commentators were criticizing the constant short dinky passes on 3rd down when you need 8+ yards (3rd and 10? Let's throw a two yard pass to the sideline!). It's ridiculous. But it's something Browns coaches have been calling since I started watching the Browns and it drives me crazy.
 
Can't decide between 3rd and short = 60% short passing, or 3rd and long = 64% short passing as my favorite stat...

My favorite is that we run more on 3rd and long than we do on 3rd and medium. A 3rd and long should never be a run unless you are backed up to the endzone and about to get a saftey yet we have seen Pat do it all over the field.
 
Even the commentators were criticizing the constant short dinky passes on 3rd down when you need 8+ yards (3rd and 10? Let's throw a two yard pass to the sideline!). It's ridiculous. But it's something Browns coaches have been calling since I started watching the Browns and it drives me crazy.

It was just Rich Gannon....he was never shy about chucking it down-field. It is frustrating to see, though. Mr. Derder should never have been hired, IMO.
 
Can't decide between 3rd and short = 60% short passing, or 3rd and long = 64% short passing as my favorite stat...

To be fair Andy Reid does the same thing and always has. This is a product of the WCO, not necessarily Shurmur. He just has better talent around.

Problem is Shurmur follows it to a T, while Reid has adopted a hybrid. The Eagles haven't been good the past 2 years, but they have the talent on the field, just no o-line.
 

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