JDeezy
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Nice.Taxing cigs serves as a deterrent for idiots who willingly contribute to killing themselves on a daily basis. I can live with that.
Nice.Taxing cigs serves as a deterrent for idiots who willingly contribute to killing themselves on a daily basis. I can live with that.
We're getting far off the fiscal cliff topic here...
I didn't care to make a new thread, so we're now discussing the debt ceiling! (I have a feeling this is just going to be another general government/politics thread like they all turn out.)
But, SS should be one of the main things with the debt ceiling. Maybe Washington will puss out again and not make any real cuts/tough decisions, but if they grow a pair, then SS/Medicare/Obamacare/DoD all apply to the debt ceiling, IMO.
the debt ceiling should be unrelated. The debt ceiling is strictly about the government paying it's bills. That never should even come into question.
Again this is where we are far apart, the fiscal cliff and the farce of a bill they just passed is and should be tied to the debt ceiling, the fact is raising taxes when your not cutting your spending doesn't get you out of the red. Even the taxes they raised aren't enough to cover the current bills. This is why some of us are so upset, they need drastic cuts to go along with those tax increases or its all for nothing.
we need cuts, but you don't put the economy and the nations credit rating at risk in the process. There are already required cuts in the next 60 days independent of the debt ceiling.
Make smokers pay a small portion more, much like insurance companies already do.
I understand people want the comfort of that great credit rating that we do not deserve. I understand the false comfort it creates. The fact is what they are doing is damn near as bad if not worse than the currency manipulation we were up in arms about a few months ago with China.
I guess my point KI4MVP is that we are only putting off an inevitable collapse. We can not sustain the current system and the current pace at which we are racking up debt. I honestly have no faith that they will make the required cuts needed to get our debt even manageable with in the next 20 years and probably never in my lifetime.
I understand the point your making, but to me its like putting a band aid on cancer.
Your credit rating means very little when you can not actually afford to pay off your debt. If the US was not manipulating the credit system no one would loan us a dime.
Again I completely understand your points, the questions I have is do you understand mine, do you really think we will have enough cuts to put a budget in place that gets us in the black with just next years budget( not even taking he deficit into consideration? Do you think this country can live with in its means? The bulk of Americans can not live with in their means and they are only following the example our government of those same people is showing them. Do you honestly have faith that someone in Washington is going to put their career on the line go against party lines and come up with a budget that actually works.
I don't think any of us fiscally responsible citizens have even a little bit of real hope from what we have seen that our Government will do the right thing for our future. Our country is facing the same obstacle it has for the last what 16 plus years and they have yet to do anything to get excited about. We have become a lazy and fat nation of co-dependent people that have no real ingenuity left in the tank.
"necessity is the mother of invention"