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The ISIS offensive in Iraq

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Great post.

Also kudos for the mentioning of the Algerian revolution, my grandfather was martyred in that war against the French.

I am sorry for your loss. The French behaved like fools in that conflict. I had hoped the US would not follow that path in Iraq.

I don't believe in "isms." Isms restricts one to seeing only two colors whilst ignoring every color in between. I am an educated man (two masters, gaining a third) and one with experience with the effects of policy. Policy is nuance, history and the politics of the possible. It is not a game to score partisan points.

I believe in what is best for the realm and the rule of law. :coffee:
 
I would add only to Gourimoko's great post that the apathy towards US crimes comes from not having the visuals. We see this man being burned alive by ISIS and we feel immediate disgust (which we should).

We don't get to see the video of a US drone hitting a wedding procession in Yemen. Maybe you agree with that attack (doubtful, as 12 civilians were killed... at a wedding), but I wonder what the US popular opinion would be if a video existed and went viral. It's important to note that Americans by and large don't even know about that attack, but those affected in the region certainly do.

We should be opposed to all savagery globally, whether there's video or not.
 
We should be opposed to all savagery globally, whether there's video or not.

Agreed, but I think there's potential for false equivalency as well. There is a difference between a mistake that kills innocents, and a deliberate policy of committing savage acts. I'd imagine there would be all sorts of horrible videos that would disgust people from combat in World War 2 -- war is not pretty. But that doesn't mean we were wrong to fight to stop a greater evil.

And I'm not saying that the likelihood of causing innocent deaths, even unintentionally, is something that should be ignored or discounted. It obviously should factor into what we decide to do. But at the same time, I think there needs to be a recognition that there is a moral distinction.

I'd also point out that we'd be perfectly willing to agree to stop shooting/killing anyone if they'd do the same. They won't.
 
I would add only to Gourimoko's great post that the apathy towards US crimes comes from not having the visuals. We see this man being burned alive by ISIS and we feel immediate disgust (which we should).

We don't get to see the video of a US drone hitting a wedding procession in Yemen. Maybe you agree with that attack (doubtful, as 12 civilians were killed... at a wedding), but I wonder what the US popular opinion would be if a video existed and went viral. It's important to note that Americans by and large don't even know about that attack, but those affected in the region certainly do.

We should be opposed to all savagery globally, whether there's video or not.

The conglomerates that own the media in this country also own arms makers that make billions off of perpetual war, or get other direct money from the government, so you will never see those images on Fox or MSNBC or CNN. That is where the typical American imbecile gets their news. The quality of information you get from them would make Joseph Goebbels proud.
 
I'd also point out that we'd be perfectly willing to agree to stop shooting/killing anyone if they'd do the same. They won't.

This just isn't true. Maybe you would be willing. The U.S. government wouldn't. They were over before any of them started shooting, giving them guns and money and showing them how to shoot.
 
This just isn't true. Maybe you would be willing. The U.S. government wouldn't. They were over before any of them started shooting, giving them guns and money and showing them how to shoot.

?
 
HRM King Abdullah, as good as his word, has begun to personally bomb the shit out of ISIS (D'aesh). How fucking bad-ass is this guy? He is the Stannis Baratheon of real monarchs.

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http://twitchy.com/2015/02/04/hard-...n-combat-gear-and-ready-to-fight-isis-photos/
 
Never, ever, fuck with a Jordanian King.

He will fuck your day up.
 
HRM King Abdullah, as good as his word, has begun to personally bomb the shit out of ISIS (D'aesh). How fucking bad-ass is this guy? He is the Stannis Baratheon of real monarchs.

So I guess that means Bill Clinton was....Robert Baratheon?

Dubya...Mace Tyrell?

Obama -- Renly?

Reagan -- Ned?

JFK -- Rhaegar?

Jaime -- not a monarch, but the John Edwards comparison is just too tempting.
 
So I guess that means Bill Clinton was....Robert Baratheon?

Dubya...Mace Tyrell?

Obama -- Renly?

Reagan -- Ned?

JFK -- Rhaegar?

Jaime -- not a monarch, but the John Edwards comparison is just too tempting.

Pretty much every other monarch in the Middle East is Mace Tyrell. Plenty of gold but incompetent and lazy. Let's others fight for him.
 
On a more serious note, what happened to that Jordanian pilot is simply horrifying. My wife cried when she heard it, and I was pretty close to that. Imagining that poor man's last moments...how does his family ever come to terms with knowing that he died in that kind of agony.

I hope to hell the savages that did this get ground into the dirt. This isn't -- and never was -- a war between Christianity and Islam. It's a war between good people and bad people, and I hope the non-savages of this world can unite to eradicate those vermin.
 
So this has been happening...

Isis militants are 'using mentally challenged children as suicide bombers and crucifying others', says UN body

Isis militants are using children – including those with mental health problems – as suicide bombers and human shields, according to experts from a UN watchdog. Officials believe some of the youngsters may have little or no idea what is happening to them.

A report published on Wednesday said the militants were selling abducted children as sex slaves and killing others, including by means of crucifixion and burying them alive. Children from minority communities were particularly vulnerable.

“We have had reports of children, especially children who are mentally challenged, who have been used as suicide bombers, most probably without them even understanding,” expert Renate Winter told Reuters.

“There was a video placed online that showed children at a very young age, approximately eight years of age and younger, to be trained already to become child soldiers.”

Ms Winter, a member of the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child (CRC) was one of 18 independent experts who helped compile the report that revealed stark and widespread abuse of children in areas controlled by the militants.

“It is a huge, huge, huge problem,” she told reporters in Geneva. “We are really deeply concerned at torture and murder of those children, especially those belonging to minorities, but not only from minorities.”

She said those communities particularly vulnerable to abuse by the Sunni extremist militants included Yazidis, Christian and Shi’ite Muslims. But Sunnis had also been victims, she added.

The report, which reviewed Iraq’s treatment of children for the first time since 1998, drew attention to what it said was the “systematic killing of children belonging to religious and ethnic minorities by the so-called Isis, including several cases of mass executions of boys, as well as reports of beheadings, crucifixions of children and burying children alive”.

It added that large numbers of children had been killed or badly wounded during air strikes or shelling by Iraqi security forces. Others had perished from “dehydration, starvation and heat” and Isis had carried out widespread sexual violence including “the abduction and sexual enslavement of children”.

On Tuesday Isis released a video which showed its fighters burning alive a Jordanian pilot whose plane had been downed while on a bombing run against the militants. Jordan has vowed revenge and has already stepped up its attacks.

The experts who worked on the report called on Iraqi authorities to take all necessary measures to “rescue children” under the control of Isis and to prosecute perpetrators of crimes. Yet the experts have acknowledged that the government in Baghdad is almost certainly powerless at the moment in terms of holding the fighters accountable.

However, the committee took Baghdad to task for a number of abuses that cannot be blamed on the militants, including reports of under-age boys used to guard government checkpoints and children held in harsh conditions on terrorism-related charges.

It also denounced frequent so-called honour killings as well as forced early and temporary marriages of girls as young as 11. The committee took issue with a law that allows rapists to go free if they marry their victim, the AFP said.

 
Nice.

These "people" are just reprehensible. Not much else to say. It truly angers me, but deep down I question whether this sort of brutality is even sustainable. I don't think it is.

Stuff like this is pushing away people that would potentially support them. Burning the Jordanian pilot was one of the worst things they could have done. They are alienating even Muslims.

We'll see what happens, though.
 
Nice.

These "people" are just reprehensible. Not much else to say. It truly angers me, but deep down I question whether this sort of brutality is even sustainable. I don't think it is.

Stuff like this is pushing away people that would potentially support them. Burning the Jordanian pilot was one of the worst things they could have done. They are alienating even Muslims.

We'll see what happens, though.

Yep. That is how Al Qaeda lost its support amongst the Sunnis in Iraq and why "The Surge" worked.
 

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