Not sure. At first I thought it was just Jojen, but honestly it could easily be everything, especially when you consider my theory that King's Landing is going to burn via all those jars of wildfire Aerys had stored all over the city.
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By the way, I love the way the show is pacing itself this season. We haven't had a single episode that felt compelled to visit every character. I like the focus on less characters per episode with longer scenes for each. It makes the show feel much smoother than it has at times in the past.
Also, Ramsay looks deliciously crazy in the preview for next week. Can't wait.
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The Jojen scene was by far his strongest to date. Loved it. That kind of stuff is the closest we're going to get in regards to interpretive premonitions. They've done a good job at making him look sicker as the episodes go on.
Also the Hound/Arya convo was fantastic. The best swordsman got killed by Meryn Trant???
The Jojen scene was by far his strongest to date. Loved it. That kind of stuff is the closest we're going to get in regards to interpretive premonitions. They've done a good job at making him look sicker as the episodes go on.
Also the Hound/Arya convo was fantastic. The best swordsman got killed by Meryn Trant???
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Thought it was a good episode, but it just reinforced my book-based opinion that Sansa's storyline -- and even Littlefinger's to some extent -- looks like it is starting to become irrelevant. So Littlefinger was the mastermind behind much of the chaos. He convinced Lysa to poison her husband, and to send that letter to Catelyn blaming the Lannisters for Jon Arryn's death, , and most recently, to poison Joffrey. But...so what? Who killed Jon Arryn, and the Lannisters being blamed for it, wouldn't seem to make much difference now at all.
And AFFC/ADWD don't seem to change that either. You have events of monstrous importance happening in the North with Jon, the Boltons, Stannis, Davis, etc. In the South, you've got a bit of a soap opera in the Eyrie, but otherwise, who cares what's going on with LF and Sansa, especially now that Connington and an alleged Targaeryen have invaded. Not to mention Danaerys and the dragons, etc..
Just seems odd that what could have been described as key secrets in the first three books have been rendered more or less irrelevant by this point.
Thought it was a good episode, but it just reinforced my book-based opinion that Sansa's storyline -- and even Littlefinger's to some extent -- looks like it is starting to become irrelevant. So Littlefinger was the mastermind behind much of the chaos. He convinced Lysa to poison her husband, and to send that letter to Catelyn blaming the Lannisters for Jon Arryn's death, , and most recently, to poison Joffrey. But...so what? Who killed Jon Arryn, and the Lannisters being blamed for it, wouldn't seem to make much difference now at all.
And AFFC/ADWD don't seem to change that either. You have events of monstrous importance happening in the North with Jon, the Boltons, Stannis, Davis, etc. In the South, you've got a bit of a soap opera in the Eyrie, but otherwise, who cares what's going on with LF and Sansa, especially now that Connington and an alleged Targaeryen have invaded. Not to mention Danaerys and the dragons, etc..
Just seems odd that what could have been described as key secrets in the first three books have been rendered more or less irrelevant by this point.
Hmm I see your points but i think i disagree about the importance of Littlefinger's moves.
Reason for killing Jon Arryn: Framing the Lannisters. Bringing a suspicious Ned Stark to KL, where he is likely to start a war/conflict between the two houses which LF can use to his benefit. Widowing the crazy woman who is in love with him and giving her full control of the Vale, and having her stay out of whatever conflict ensues between the Lannisters and Starks.
-He then used the resulting war get himself the title of Lord of Harrenhall, which he knew was one step away from being the co-leader of the Vale.
Obviously his next step is the remove the "co" from that title.
Sure, who killed Jon Arryn isn't very important right now from the perspective of someone getting blamed for it, but it was critical for getting LF to where he is now in the books. He is the leader of one of the only kingdoms untouched by the war, so he is likely relatively rich in military strength and food/resources. Also he has what many believe to be the true heir to the North, and is only a few steps away from having control over two major kingdoms. Along with his secret alliance with the Tyrells, and supposed alliance with the Lannisters, he seems to be in pretty good shape to make a big backstab/power-grab.
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The whole point is LF might be the most dangerous dude at the end of the day. He basically orchestrated all of the events that have happened as a power play, a way to weaken the Seven Kingdoms and descend them into chaos so that he could have his chance.
Would not be surprised to see him sit the Throne at some point. After all, that's his goal, isn't it?
Only thing is he could have never foreseen Bran catching Cersei and Jaime in the tower, and the assassin going after Bran ... so did he just get lucky on those counts?
Only thing is he could have never foreseen Bran catching Cersei and Jaime in the tower, and the assassin going after Bran ... so did he just get lucky on those counts?
I believe so, and then he capitalized on the situation by blaming Tyrion. I don't think anyone knows what Bran saw, all LF knows is that someone tried to kill him with an expensive blade.
I think the unpredictability of those things unnerves him though, along with Ned's execution. I think that is a big reason why he killed Joffrey.
As for the theory that it's the Night's King, there were 13 of the black robed Others. The Night's King was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and he ruled in the Nightfort for 13 years.
Just sayin'.
And side note, Old Nan said that despite popular stories otherwise, the Night's King was originally a Stark.
Wanted to bring this back, up, but in Old Nan's story about the Last Hero she said he set out with a dozen companions. And wouldn't you know it, that special white walker had 12 other blurred out walkers with him.
And when you look back through the history of the Night's Watch, very few of the Lord Commanders are remembered or numbered. The Night's King is one of the few where you absolutely know for certain what number he was. That's no accident.
EDIT: At this point, I think it's highly likely the Last Hero, whether or not he is also the Night's King, became a White Walker for some reason or another. You see that last scene in episode 4 and the 12 walkers with him, 6 on each side and note the obvious parallel between that and the dozen companions that set out with the Last Hero. But more than that, there is very specific reason Old Nan gets cut off before finishing her story of the Last Hero. GRRM doesn't want us to know what happened to him yet. If it were as simple as "he found some magical swords and kill The Others" it would have been revealed.
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