The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[col63onel]

Thankfully I had no idea... I thought the cameo scene was great; but I had hoped we could see more of Maul in the movie -- would've preferred that....

One problem though..... Han Solo has never met or seen a Jedi before meeting Obi-Wan; at least, not to his knowledge, surely. So... if he ends up fighting Darth Maul at some point, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, IMHO.

Yeah, my guess is if we have future Maul moves, he never really meets him. Or if they do, Maul doesn't do any overt Force stuff. Plenty of ways to write around it.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I mean, Solo 2 hasn't even been confirmed yet, so my guess is Han never has a single clue about Maul.

Which would make sense. I would imagine Maul will be central to the Kenobi movie? Not sure. They would have to make the Clone Wars non-Canon in order to include Maul.

Either way, just gimme Kenobi as soon as possible. That movie is going to be incredible. I think I've seen a few places say Ewan is coming back for that role, which is awesome.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Looks like Solo was a hit below the waterline for the Star Wars franchise:

Exclusive: Future ‘A Star Wars Story’ Spinoffs on Hold at Lucasfilm

This news comes in the wake of the disappointing launch of Solo, which was only Lucasfilm’s second A Star Wars Story spinoff, but which received mixed-positive reviews and fell short of box office expectations. The film scored $84.4 million on opening weekend and has grossed $192.8 million domestically (and $339.5 million worldwide) in four weeks, which is nothing to scoff at but is far, far lower than the performance of other Star Wars movies at this benchmark. For comparison’s sake, Rogue One opened to $155 million and had grossed $424 million domestic by Week 4. To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie.

http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

I think Disney may be misinterpreting why Solo failed. I think the issue is broader than just the standalone idea of "A Star Wars Story" being problematic. I think there's less enthusiasm for the main trilogy as well. I didn't see Solo primarily because TFA and TLJ were so disappointing. I have zero faith in the people making any of those movies now.

I do think the lackluster reviews, lack of charisma of the main character, and the fact that his story is somewhat dated hurt as well. But "Rogue One" told just as dated a story, and was far more successful.

 

[MD13]

Looks like Solo was a hit below the waterline for the Star Wars franchise:

Exclusive: Future ‘A Star Wars Story’ Spinoffs on Hold at Lucasfilm

This news comes in the wake of the disappointing launch of Solo, which was only Lucasfilm’s second A Star Wars Story spinoff, but which received mixed-positive reviews and fell short of box office expectations. The film scored $84.4 million on opening weekend and has grossed $192.8 million domestically (and $339.5 million worldwide) in four weeks, which is nothing to scoff at but is far, far lower than the performance of other Star Wars movies at this benchmark. For comparison’s sake, Rogue One opened to $155 million and had grossed $424 million domestic by Week 4. To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie.

http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

I think Disney may be misinterpreting why Solo failed. I think the issue is broader than just the standalone idea of "A Star Wars Story" being problematic. I think there's less enthusiasm for the main trilogy as well. I didn't see Solo primarily because TFA and TLJ were so disappointing. I have zero faith in the people making any of those movies now.

I do think the lackluster reviews, lack of charisma of the main character, and the fact that his story is somewhat dated hurt as well. But "Rogue One" told just as dated a story, and was far more successful.

Agreed. I think you're seeing it in particular from the TLJ backlash, which is well deserved but I wish we saw it more on the main trilogy films. I thought Solo was a fine, very watchable movie, and Rogue One was easily the best of the 4. These stories aren't the problem imo, the lack of overall direction in the series is.

 

[billmac91]

Looks like Solo was a hit below the waterline for the Star Wars franchise:

Exclusive: Future ‘A Star Wars Story’ Spinoffs on Hold at Lucasfilm

This news comes in the wake of the disappointing launch of Solo, which was only Lucasfilm’s second A Star Wars Story spinoff, but which received mixed-positive reviews and fell short of box office expectations. The film scored $84.4 million on opening weekend and has grossed $192.8 million domestically (and $339.5 million worldwide) in four weeks, which is nothing to scoff at but is far, far lower than the performance of other Star Wars movies at this benchmark. For comparison’s sake, Rogue One opened to $155 million and had grossed $424 million domestic by Week 4. To put it simply, while Solo did fine by blockbuster standards, it wasn’t the “event” that Lucasfilm expected out of a brand new Star Wars movie.

http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoffs-on-hold/

I think Disney may be misinterpreting why Solo failed. I think the issue is broader than just the standalone idea of "A Star Wars Story" being problematic. I think there's less enthusiasm for the main trilogy as well. I didn't see Solo primarily because TFA and TLJ were so disappointing. I have zero faith in the people making any of those movies now.

I do think the lackluster reviews, lack of charisma of the main character, and the fact that his story is somewhat dated hurt as well. But "Rogue One" told just as dated a story, and was far more successful.

This hits the nail on the head for me.

I was so disappointed in TLJ, I've vowed to not watch further. I'm not even sure I'll take the time to watch when they release to DVD/Streaming services.

Not exactly the same, but I barely watched any of the NBA Finals after the officiating screwed the Cavs out of a Game 1 win. When you have such high expectations and excitement going into an event, and then you're basically punched in the gut, it leaves a really bad taste in your mouth.

And I loved Rogue One. Still can't bring myself to watch Solo.

 

[Chris]

Solo deserved a better fate. It's a solid, fun film.

Is this really backlash from TLJ? I just find that hard to believe, but it's the only thing that makes sense, I suppose.

 

[billmac91]

Solo deserved a better fate. It's a solid, fun film.

Is this really backlash from TLJ? I just find that hard to believe, but it's the only thing that makes sense, I suppose.

It's 100% true for me. TLJ was so bad, IMO..... I've basically given up on the series.

 

[BMAN]

Only reason I’ll probably see it in theaters is because I’ll be getting Movie Pass shortly.

 

[gourimoko]

Solo deserved a better fate. It's a solid, fun film.

Is this really backlash from TLJ? I just find that hard to believe, but it's the only thing that makes sense, I suppose.

TLJ made me basically give up on Star Wars too... But with that being said, I did see Solo in theaters.

 

[Chris]

TLJ made me basically give up on Star Wars too... But with that being said, I did see Solo in theaters.

It wasnt good but sheesh, one bad one and we’re done? dayum

Well I know you hated TFA too.

 

[gourimoko]

It wasnt good but sheesh, one bad one and we’re done? dayum

Well I know you hated TFA too.

Despised TFA, didn't think anything could be worse than that... The Last Jedi though, like, I literally felt like Rian Johnson walked up to me and spat in my face.

The movie was basically a fuck you to Star Wars, it's fans, it's tradition, pretty much the whole mythos; Johnson was both overtly and covertly arguing should be left in the past -- that it's now time for something new -- while in the middle of a trilogy making billions off of fan nostalgia.

It's just a shitty thing to do and that's why the movie is so hated.

 

[Chris]

Despised TFA, didn't think anything could be worse than that... The Last Jedi though, like, I literally felt like Rian Johnson walked up to me and spat in my face.

The movie was basically a fuck you to Star Wars, it's fans, it's tradition, pretty much the whole mythos; Johnson was both overtly and covertly arguing should be left in the past -- that it's now time for something new -- while in the middle of a trilogy making billions off of fan nostalgia.

It's just a shitty thing to do and that's why the movie is so hated.

I’ve liked it less over time. TFA was okay with me but TLJ...man...I really wanted to like it.

 

[gourimoko]

I’ve liked it less over time. TFA was okay with me but TLJ...man...I really wanted to like it.

I wanted to love it... Like, @col63onel and I had talked about Rian Johnson being such a welcome change, that he had the chops to get it done...

From the very first scene with Poe and Hux, I just started to feel this sense of dread.. like.. oh no..

 

[-Akronite-]

Despised TFA, didn't think anything could be worse than that... The Last Jedi though, like, I literally felt like Rian Johnson walked up to me and spat in my face.

The movie was basically a fuck you to Star Wars, it's fans, it's tradition, pretty much the whole mythos; Johnson was both overtly and covertly arguing should be left in the past -- that it's now time for something new -- while in the middle of a trilogy making billions off of fan nostalgia.

It's just a shitty thing to do and that's why the movie is so hated.

So many people make this claim, that the movie destroys the mythos... I just don't see that at all, but I also don't want to get into a multi-quote match with you over it so... I guess we can let it go.

TLJ is still>TFA>The Prequels for me.

Didn't see Solo, wasn't sure if I'd get to it in theaters once they announced it even. I'm intrigued by the mixed reviews though.

These movies underperforming is probably good though, it can avoid the fatigue. Because, ultimately, Star Wars hasn't been able to diversify its characters and storytelling enough to be a Marvel-type franchise with multiple pictures in a single year. And frankly, I wish they'd stick to making sure the trilogy films are truly event films. Even as a Last Jedi fan, I felt they rushed it, as they clearly did with TFA since there wasn't a stronger overall framework for the trilogy.

 

[col63onel]

I should mention that TFA was certainly a success. Many of us here were lukewarm at best on it, but fans liked it and it killed at the box office. Plus all the bb8 toys! I’d certainly buy the argument that a decent chunk of its success was nostalgia based, but it was still a success.

That said, Lucasfilm is just a cluster fuck right now. In 4 movies they’ve essentially fired 2 directors during filming. A fifth movie had another fired director. They said they were going to announce a new spinoff, never did, then canceled all spinoffs. Even if you ignore the shitstorm around TLJ, still a mess. I honestly would scrap episode 9, clean house at lucasfilm, and have a soft reboot in 5 years. Really disappointed at how badly they’ve fucked this up.