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More like he was fired for wrong think. They can do what they want, but they did it after the lunatics at reeera made it priority number 1 in their life.

You do realize that most people who get fired for posting stupid shit online only get fired because someone sees it and makes a big deal, right? Same thing happened to James Gunn, but at least he was man enough to just own up to it and say they were right to fire him.
 
You do realize that most people who get fired for posting stupid shit online only get fired because someone sees it and makes a big deal, right? Same thing happened to James Gunn, but at least he was man enough to just own up to it and say they were right to fire him.
If he didn't feel he did anything wrong then there was nothing to apologize for. That has nothing to do with being a man. Gunn said a bunch of stuff about raping children and making fun of people with aids. It was just poor humor and I wish he hadn't been fired over that either. Sound guy just had different political opinions, so if he still holds those beliefs, there is nothing to be sorry about. In fact, other developers for that studio used their personal account to make political statements that contradict sounds guys beliefs, yet they weren't reprimanded. What he should have done was just post under a burner like KD, but just remember to switch back. Now is not a good time to attach your political beliefs to your public profile unless you are somehow a made man or your conform to what the media and reeesetera deems acceptable.
 
If he didn't feel he did anything wrong then there was nothing to apologize for. That has nothing to do with being a man. Gunn said a bunch of stuff about raping children and making fun of people with aids. It was just poor humor and I wish he hadn't been fired over that either. Sound guy just had different political opinions, so if he still holds those beliefs, there is nothing to be sorry about. In fact, other developers for that studio used their personal account to make political statements that contradict sounds guys beliefs, yet they weren't reprimanded. What he should have done was just post under a burner like KD, but just remember to switch back. Now is not a good time to attach your political beliefs to your public profile unless you are somehow a made man or your conform to what the media and reeesetera deems acceptable.

He literally said the following things:

"...we need a ‘diversity’ slider in the options. It will make the character progessively [sic] darker more feminie [sic] and less sexy.

"ppl aren't blank slates that can be reprogrammed simply by being in a new country. importing random ppl from the 3rd world is also importing 3rd world tier crime rates and IQ."

Dude's a racist.

Sometimes it's better to just take the L than defend awful people.
 
He literally said the following things:

"...we need a ‘diversity’ slider in the options. It will make the character progessively [sic] darker more feminie [sic] and less sexy.

"ppl aren't blank slates that can be reprogrammed simply by being in a new country. importing random ppl from the 3rd world is also importing 3rd world tier crime rates and IQ."

Dude's a racist.

Sometimes it's better to just take the L than defend awful people.
I cant find that first tweet anywhere, but that second one he did say and I don't really have a problem with it. It's a factual statement to say that crime went up with refugees coming in. I can't say whether he's correct about the IQ statement. Maybe hes right, but I know that is a sensitive subject. What we do know is violent crime did go up and he probably shouldn't have mentioned the iq thing or even posted that under his account that is attached to him personally. I don't think we can definitively say he's a racist, but hey, that's a low bar these days anyway.

The guy ended up getting a job right away anyway, so I don't think its fruitful to continue this conversation. It makes sense given subnautica was heralded for it's awesome sound design. I just haven't played a survival game that holds my interest amazing sound design or not.
 
The one game i'm interested in that epic is giving away is super meat boy. So I will probably be in for that and then probably never play it.
 
I remember the subnautica devs caved to those nutbags over at reeesetera and fired their sound design guy.

... Why would that bother anyone? He said offensive things on social media; and social media workplace guidelines have existed in corporate America for over a decade now.

More like he was fired for wrong think. They can do what they want, but they did it after the lunatics at reeera made it priority number 1 in their life.

He was fired for making, at a minimum, racially insensitive comments. We don't really need to reclassify that as "wrong-think" unless we're somehow arguing that racialism and racism are things that can and should be tolerated in the workplace?

Sound guy just had different political opinions, so if he still holds those beliefs, there is nothing to be sorry about.

That's one way of looking at it, but anyone could use that argument. As you were just referencing James Gunn, one could argue that pedophilia laws are political in nature and that the entire concept age of consent is entirely socially determined and thus a political idea. Thus, they could assert that having contrary views is "wrongthink," thereby implying that employers shouldn't fire someone for holding said views.

Simply put, by your logic, employers could not police their own associations with employees based on public statements those employees make. Therefore, an employer who hires a Nazi, someone who advocated for child sex, or someone who publicly calls for all gay people to die of AIDS (again, just extrapolating from James Gunn, not saying he said this) or be expelled from the country; in your view that employer has no recourse having been made aware that their employee is publicly making said comments. Surely you agree with me that this doesn't make sense, right?

In fact, other developers for that studio used their personal account to make political statements that contradict sounds guys beliefs, yet they weren't reprimanded.

The only reason this dilemma exists is because you've falsely equated normal political discourse with racially insensitive and racially offensive discourse. It seems that you both acknowledge and ignore, simultaneously, (perhaps not consciously) the reality that certain topics are outside of what might be considered generally acceptable political ideas?

What he should have done was just post under a burner like KD, but just remember to switch back.

Or.. maybe not make racist statements, or again, statements that could be interpreted as racist?

Like, maybe he should re-evaluate the thought process that got him to this point?

Now is not a good time to attach your political beliefs to your public profile unless you are somehow a made man or your conform to what the media and reeesetera deems acceptable.

See, you do acknowledge what is deemed acceptable, so clearly you're fully aware that his comments would very likely be viewed as offensive. So, it would seem your argument is that .. they shouldn't be offensive? Or.. that his employer shouldn't have fired him? I'm not really even sure.

I cant find that first tweet anywhere, but that second one he did say and I don't really have a problem with it. It's a factual statement to say that crime went up with refugees coming in.

Where? Absolutely not in the United States.

In Europe, it's a complex topic, and you could interpret the "factual statement" as being both true in some cases but also false in others; but on the whole, and most importantly, the statement is generally misleading in that it doesn't capture the complete picture of the problem.

But let's leave the question of fact to the side for a moment (since it's largely a political and sociological question that warrants more attention than a single sentence affirmation or denial) and just ask ourselves, what was really the point of his statement? What exactly is he trying to suggest here?

I can't say whether he's correct about the IQ statement. Maybe hes right, but I know that is a sensitive subject.

These kinds of arguments are ridiculous in that they presuppose we should be filtering out people based on their IQ. The folks making the arguments aren't publishing their IQ tests nor do they, consequently, seem to suggest we round up all people below a certain threshold of IQ? Like, why not just remove everyone under a 120 IQ? Because that might include them, of course.

So since we're not really trying to create a population of predominantly high IQ individuals (read "high" as significantly higher than 100); then aren't we really using a particular measure of IQ across political and cultural boundaries as a proxy for something else? ... you see the problem here, right?

So, and maybe you're not aware which is understandable, but these are repeated arguments we see from so-called ethno-nationalists. So that's why this person might get labeled as such when repeating their ridiculous assertions, and it's likely why he lost his job.

What we do know is violent crime did go up and he probably shouldn't have mentioned the iq thing or even posted that under his account that is attached to him personally. I don't think we can definitively say he's a racist, but hey, that's a low bar these days anyway.

But .. let's assume for a moment that he were a racist; by your logic, would it actually matter? No, right?

So the whole point of determining where the threshold is for racism is sort of a red herring here because, it doesn't really make a difference in the moral framework you're putting forward, right?

The guy ended up getting a job right away anyway, so I don't think its fruitful to continue this conversation. It makes sense given subnautica was heralded for it's awesome sound design. I just haven't played a survival game that holds my interest amazing sound design or not.

Right...
 
Well I certainly didn’t miss the multi quote.
 
... Why would that bother anyone? He said offensive things on social media; and social media workplace guidelines have existed in corporate America for over a decade now.

I had to take CBT's for social media behavior at both my current and previous job (the only two corporate jobs I've held since finishing college) as a general yearly requirement for all employees. It's not even complicated. Just don't say stupid shit and you'll be fine. Hell, you don't even have to not say stupid shit. You just have to be smart enough to create another account if you want to be an internet racist. :chuckle:

Shocking that people don't get this, though. We live in an age where it's very easy for people to notify your employer when you are making the company look bad, and this is doubly true when you post from your official Facebook or Twitter account that has your employer listed in your bio. Similarly, it's incredibly easy for something to blow up and became a huge deal online, and thus it's usually a lot smarter for these companies to just cut bait with the problematic employee causing image issues for the company at large than it is to cross your fingers and hope that keeping them doesn't blow back on you later. Most employees are just inherently replaceable.

At any rate, I don't even post on Twitter and I pretty much only use Facebook as a free photo album with unlimited storage these days, so it's not something that concerns me.
 
Well I certainly didn’t miss the multi quote.

Ty.. no multi-quotes, but an honest, genuine question ... why support this guy?

You don't know him, I don't know him..

His employer, a game development studio, fired him. They knew him. If they thought he was this great guy maybe they'd have come to a different conclusion and not fire him?

As a software developer myself who manages a team of software developers, I can't imagine firing a guy for making comments on social media unless I truly believed they represented the person. In this case, his employer felt these comments were likely representative of him as a person and had no issues (apparently) with terminating him after he did (ostensibly) such a good job on their product.

So why jump out in front of this with "reee" and the standard tropes in defense of this guy? Why champion his cause thereby implying that his cause is your own given that you don't even know this guy or really what he may or may not believe in?
 
Ty.. no multi-quotes, but an honest, genuine question ... why support this guy?

You don't know him, I don't know him..

His employer, a game development studio, fired him. They knew him. If they thought he was this great guy maybe they'd have come to a different conclusion and not fire him?

As a software developer myself who manages a team of software developers, I can't imagine firing a guy for making comments on social media unless I truly believed they represented the person. In this case, his employer felt these comments were likely representative of him as a person and had no issues (apparently) with terminating him after he did (ostensibly) such a good job on their product.

So why jump out in front of this with "reee" and the standard tropes in defense of this guy? Why champion his cause thereby implying that his cause is your own given that you don't even know this guy or really what he may or may not believe in?
I don’t like people being fired for not being politically correct. I didn't like it with James Gunn, I didn’t like it with google guy, I don’t like it with Sound guy.

I agree that you are asking for it at this point if you post with your actual identity.
 
I had to take CBT's for social media behavior at both my current and previous job (the only two corporate jobs I've held since finishing college) as a general yearly requirement for all employees. It's not even complicated. Just don't say stupid shit and you'll be fine. Hell, you don't even have to not say stupid shit. You just have to be smart enough to create another account if you want to be an internet racist. :chuckle:

Shocking that people don't get this, though. We live in an age where it's very easy for people to notify your employer when you are making the company look bad, and this is doubly true when you post from your official Facebook or Twitter account that has your employer listed in your bio. Similarly, it's incredibly easy for something to blow up and became a huge deal online, and thus it's usually a lot smarter for these companies to just cut bait with the problematic employee causing image issues for the company at large than it is to cross your fingers and hope that keeping them doesn't blow back on you later. Most employees are just inherently replaceable.

At any rate, I don't even post on Twitter and I pretty much only use Facebook as a free photo album with unlimited storage these days, so it's not something that concerns me.

Agreed. Anyone and everyone who has worked a corporate job should be aware that you can't do what this guy did. Your social media platform is a representation of the company; especially when that company is in the business of making products to sell, where you as a co-developer of that product, will get credit as part of the production of that product.

So this guy had to know that anything he said on social media would come under scrutiny. And this isn't even a political question since the exact same thing came up and just bit Kevin Hart in the ass.

But yeah, it's not really a big deal one way or the other -- just thought it was strange that people would lament over this guy losing his job ... Like, really???
 
But yeah, it's not really a big deal one way or the other -- just thought it was strange that people would lament over this guy losing his job ... Like, really???

I didn't feel bad when it happened to Gunn, either. It sucks he got fired, because he was a talented director doing a great job, but he should have been smart enough to go back and scrub stupid tweets from a decade or more ago, especially while working for a company that is very focused on staying family-friendly like Disney/Marvel.

And I don't really have a problem with most of what Gunn wrote simply because it was pretty obvious he was just saying that stuff to get a rise out of people, not because he actually believed it. Big difference between the two cases here, even if I think both companies were in the right to part ways with their employees.
 
I don’t like people being fired for not being politically correct. I didn't like it with James Gunn, I didn’t like it with google guy, I don’t like it with Sound guy.

I agree that you are asking for it at this point if you post with your actual identity.

Why?

Why shouldn't an employer fire someone who says what they feel to be commonly-believed socially reprehensible things? At what point does one's reactionary stance against political correctness start to cover for things that really have nothing to do with the colloquial understanding of what political correctness represents; i.e., things like outright and overt racism or malicious homophobia? Roseanne is a good example of this; Kevin Hart is another example.

What if Kevin Hart made those tweets last month instead of 10 years ago (or whenever)? Should the Academy still fire him from hosting the Oscars once they are made aware of it?
 
I didn't feel bad when it happened to Gunn, either. It sucks he got fired, because he was a talented director doing a great job, but he should have been smart enough to go back and scrub stupid tweets from a decade or more ago, especially while working for a company that is very focused on staying family-friendly like Disney/Marvel.

And I don't really have a problem with most of what Gunn wrote simply because it was pretty obvious he was just saying that stuff to get a rise out of people, not because he actually believed it. Big difference between the two cases here, even if I think both companies were in the right to part ways with their employees.

Agreed. I understood why a company like Disney had to fire Gunn, regardless of his actual views, simply because his comments could be construed in so many different ways that he became a liability for their brand.

But yeah, Gunn's comments are wildly different in nature and intent than "Sound guy's."
 

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