This is parenting i can support

[Damage]

I am an only child and I was a complete and utter dickhead to my father when I was a teenager. Now part of it was him not staying the fuck out of my business - but looking back on it I'm glad he was all up in my shit.

I distinctly remember coming home after my freshman year of college - fresh off a stellar 1.75 GPA. He sat me down and read me the riot act. At the end - he looked me in the eye and said "it's your life. You can choose to fuck around and drop out or you can act like a fucking man - get your collective shit together - and not make a mockery of yourself". I cried for what seemed like the entire day. However - I graduated in 4 years with a 3.1 GPA. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. And guess what? It didn't involve a fucking gun.

Now I know there is no guide on how to best parent a kid - but I have to think there must be a better - a more sane way than unloading a full clip into a fucking laptop that you just spent $130 on software (And by the way - $130 for software upgrades? Is it 2001?). If it got the point across more power to him and his daughter. I'm not going to pretend I know what it's like to raise a child - nor am I going to sit here and lambast this dude for his parenting skills (or lack thereof - depending on how you viewed the video). I do know (just through common fucking sense) that girls need to be protected and coddled by their fathers. If that guy is my father - I'm beyond embarrassed - but not for the right reasons (not understanding what a selfish twat I was being but more like "holy shit my father is fucking loony tunes and now the entire world knows" type shit - even though the cowboy hat was a dead giveaway).

The irony is the father made this entire charade about him when he was attempting to teach his daughter the finer points in life about being selfish. That's what bothered me the most about the video.

 

[Noonan]

This family lives in Florida, right?

 

[The Oi]

This family lives in Florida, right?

Carolina. They're too normal to be From Florida.

 

[cdt]

100% chance this girl goes into porn :chuckles:

 

[southernflyer]

100% chance this girl goes into porn :chuckles:

Please let her porn name be "Annie Oakley" just to piss off her dad even more. Or ... have the "geek squad guy" come over to fix the computer and tell her "Yeah, I can fix any hole!"

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I finally got around to watching this video, and I must say, I fell it's a pretty bad overreaction by the father.

The letter read like a diary entry, and facebook was just the her way of sharing that with her friends. For an IT professional, I still sense a serious disconnect with his understanding of the way the new generation uses and views technology.

I mean, I laughed my ass off and he has the right to do whatever he wants to his shit that he bought and he has the right to parent the way he chooses, but I honestly can say that I would probably handle that situation extremely differently. Oh well, to each his own.

 

[Earl]

He's banging the cleaning lady for sure

 

[Born 'N' Raised]

I finally got around to watching this video, and I must say, I fell it's a pretty bad overreaction by the father.

The letter read like a diary entry, and facebook was just the her way of sharing that with her friends. For an IT professional, I still sense a serious disconnect with his understanding of the way the new generation uses and views technology.

I mean, I laughed my ass off and he has the right to do whatever he wants to his shit that he bought and he has the right to parent the way he chooses, but I honestly can say that I would probably handle that situation extremely differently. Oh well, to each his own.

Just because the new generation views technology as an extension of their personal life, doesn't make what she did okay. Had she written that in her diary and he found it, this would be a whole different story. First, he would be wrong for reading her private diary (at least in my opinion). Second, he probably wouldn't have dealt with it the same way... I would imagine he would have dealt with a private issue in a private manner. But she posted it on Facebook. There is nothing private, personal, or discreet about Facebook. Because the issue was aired in a public forum (and not for the first time), he chose to deal with it publicly. I don't really see any fault in that. He was embarrassed by her public rant. If he hadn't responded publicly, nobody would know the issue had been dealt with which would in effect make him appear to be an impotent parent. Was his method of punishment an over-reaction? Perhaps. Was the venue for his reaction inappropriate? Not considering the conscious choice she made to initiate the whole thing in that very same venue.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Just because the new generation views technology as an extension of their personal life, doesn't make what she did okay. Had she written that in her diary and he found it, this would be a whole different story. First, he would be wrong for reading her private diary (at least in my opinion). Second, he probably wouldn't have dealt with it the same way... I would imagine he would have dealt with a private issue in a private manner. But she posted it on Facebook. There is nothing private, personal, or discreet about Facebook. Because the issue was aired in a public forum (and not for the first time), he chose to deal with it publicly. I don't really see any fault in that. He was embarrassed by her public rant. If he hadn't responded publicly, nobody would know the issue had been dealt with which would in effect make him appear to be an impotent parent. Was his method of punishment an over-reaction? Perhaps. Was the venue for his reaction inappropriate? Not considering the conscious choice she made to initiate the whole thing in that very same venue.

What's the difference between reading a diary entry and using your IT skills to bypass the measures she had taken to make her facebook private, at least from her parents? There really isn't one at least the way I see it. I mean, we can argue the merits of how private facebook really is, but in the same way you can show or talk about what you wrote in a diary to your friends, you can choose who to "friend" and let have access to your facebook content. I don't know, maybe I'm more sympathetic towards teenagers than most. Which is odd, since I teach them everyday :chuckles:

 

[The Oi]

What's the difference between reading a diary entry and using your IT skills to bypass the measures she had taken to make her facebook private, at least from her parents? There really isn't one at least the way I see it. I mean, we can argue the merits of how private facebook really is, but in the same way you can show or talk about what you wrote in a diary to your friends, you can choose who to "friend" and let have access to your facebook content. I don't know, maybe I'm more sympathetic towards teenagers than most. Which is odd, since I teach them everyday :chuckles:

I disagree with you completely. Of course they could show their diary to 2-3 friends. But that's a whole HELL of a lot different than posting the dumb kid shit you'd write in a diary online for God know's how many kids to read, share with their friends, and possibly get discovered by other parents.

You know by now that most kids are raised poorly with too few rules and too much freedom. Kids are already dumb as hell without being allowed to shit-talk their parents in front of hundreds of other kids.

Bottom line: Kids are stupid. It's a parent's role to do whatever they can (within reason) to limit the stupidity and then punish it effectively when it rears it's ugly head.

If you want to argue that the father took measures that were too extreme...sure. But to suggest that writing in a diary and showing a couple friends is the same thing as posting it publicly online...I just cannot relate to that opinion.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

If you want to argue that the father took measures that were too extreme...sure. But to suggest that writing in a diary and showing a couple friends is the same thing as posting it publicly online...I just cannot relate to that opinion.

It may not effectively be the same thing in outcome, but it's the same mind-set that teenage girls used to use before facebook existed. Complaining about your parents to your friends is just something that people have always and will always do, and I don't feel that it's any more egregious now than it was 15 years ago when it was done over the phone or in person or through a diary.

Every generation feels that the younger generations are in the wrong, mainly because they are unfamiliar or cannot relate (or refuse to) to change. I don't feel this incident is any different than a similar story would have been 30 years ago. The girl is the same as any teenager was 30 years ago, and the father is as over-zealous as any similar father was 30 years ago. It's not about generations becoming softer, it's about a tougher parenting style that always has been the norm or acceptable for some(you) and over-zealous for others(me).

 

[germancav]

You know by now that most kids are raised poorly with too few rules and too much freedom. Kids are already dumb as hell without being allowed to shit-talk their parents in front of hundreds of other kids.

Bottom line: Kids are stupid. It's a parent's role to do whatever they can (within reason) to limit the stupidity and then punish it effectively when it rears it's ugly head.

Bs.

 

[The Oi]

Bs.

Which part?

I can't fathom someone disagreeing with anything I said there. But you continually surprise me. I don't know how kids are raised in Germany or if they magically don't act like complete jackasses if they're given minimal discipline, but over here...kids are stupid.

 

[germancav]

Which part?

I can't fathom someone disagreeing with anything I said there. But you continually surprise me. I don't know how kids are raised in Germany or if they magically don't act like complete jackasses if they're given minimal discipline, but over here...kids are stupid.

Kids nowadays arent any worse or better then the ones of previous generations...

 

[The Oi]

Kids nowadays arent any worse or better then the ones of previous generations...

Well, there sure have been a lot of generations over time. Are you telling me that kids these days are better behaved than they were during the colonization of America when they weren't to speak unless spoken to? And were paddled to hell if they didnt? When "chores" were not only an expectation, but a necessity as part of their existence.

Would you say they were worse behaved back then? I'm not saying that's the right way to raise kids. I'm just saying that if you're suggesting today's kids are the same as they were then...we just can't relate on this topic. Not all kids have been the same since the beginning of time because not all kids experienced the same surroundings, had the same expectations from their parents, and had the same life experiences because of it.

So you're saying that since the beginning of time, kids in general have always been the same regardless of their surroundings? I'm sure you're NOT saying that and don't believe it, because at a certain point you and I can go far enough back to where kids were "better" at some point. If so, then what changed and when?

And how are you defining better or worse? I'm very confident I could demonstrate to you that there are things about our current generation of kids that are FAR worse than previous. Not only are kids stupid on their own without guidance, but with access to the technology they have today, their stupidity can be taken much farther and into more people's computers, phones, etc. So the bad decisions they make can be saved as texts, pictures on a computer, or videos that can easily be posted everywhere. They're sexually active earlier and to a farther extent than previous generations. There's more violence and sexuality available for their consumption on the internet and TV than with other generations previous. And there's more usage of drugs, earlier usage of drugs and more access to drugs. Don't have statistics in front of me, but there's very likely a hell of a lot more suicides and a hell of a lot more school shootings.

Sure, kids are always going to find ways to break rules BECAUSE THEY'RE STUPID. They don't have the life experience to understand the consequences of their actions, they don't have the diplomacy or conscience to know what to say and what not to say to be a productive and influential member of society, they don't have the intelligence or resourcefulness to support themselves and they're extremely lmitied mentally versus a grown adult person. Difference is...with kids, they have an excuse. With adults (barring educational deficits), not only do they not have an excuse for their own bad decisions...they have less of an excuse for not raising their kids right...and they're not raising them right. Part of it is because adults are stupid too! But another big part of it is because adults are up against more challenges than they ever have been before with raising kids well.

And I think you're missing the point of my post anyways, so I'll say it again: Kids are stupid Means "kids can't make the right decisions without guidance and an understanding for the consequences of their actions. They do not have the innate ability to manage the responsibility of doing so and thus must be taught with consistency what the consequences are. They should be taught how to MAKE good consequences happen and how to prevent bad consequences from happening. Left to their own devices, young children are basically a colony of apes."

I've noticed you're very sensitive to children's rights and interests in the past and I get the sense that it's going to cloud your opinion on this topic. I'm also wondering if (a) you grew up in the US (b) if it really might just be better over there. The latter is very possible now that the Hitler Youth has been taken out of power. (kidding :chuckles

But I'm telling you, my man. There is a REAL problem with parenting and the way kids are growing up in the U.S. right now and I don't trust any kid in the world to just raise himself.