Tristan Thompson

[CalBuckeyeRob]

That interview wasn't that long ago. Every other FA had signed by then. In terms of basketball time it might as well have been yesterday.

Portland is going to be one of the two or three worst teams in the NBA next year. They are already invested in 5 young PFs. Why on earth would they pay a role player 16M/ to improve to become the 4th worst team in the NBA when they can develop their young players that are all making significantly less?

Paul's preference is immaterial at this point. And suggesting his last option is to sign in Portland when he has no chance of receiving an offer from them is more than a little ostrich-like.

Tris has two options. Sign the deal the Cavs have offered or sit out.

Agree. TT is really much more valuable to Cleveland than just about any other team because they have the scoring from other spots on the floor. TT can certainly start in this league but it would likely be for a bottom half team, and as he showed before LeBron, he is not good enough to make any tangible difference in that type of franchise who needs scoring from every player that is eating minutes. His failure to sign the QO has essentially ended any leverage on his side. Holding out gets him no closer to free agency and won't get him more money.

 

[Paul]

What sucks is, Tristan doesn't really have much motivation not to sit out. Due to LeBron James' influence, it seems like the Cavs must keep the 5y/80m offer there on the table throughout this whole ordeal. Basically Tristan can view this as "I'm a lock to get the 80 million, but there's a chance if I wait a month or two I can get somewhere between 84 and 94 million". That's not a bad return for a month or two where his only real responsibility would be to stay in shape in the gym. It could amount to a million a week, and all this drama has given Rich Paul tons of free publicity. His name recognition must have gone through the roof from say 6 months ago.

It's too bad that the Cavs hands are more or less tied, and they can't pull the offer or lower it.

They probably can't trade him either because I don't think Tristan actually wants to leave... Basically he wants everything and LeBron is facilitating it.

The NBA should look at some form of punishment for players and their agents for holding out. This negotiation seems to be setting some bad precedents. In this case at least, Tristan had two perfectly fair options to choose from in the 5y/80m offer or the QO.

 

[PriceFan14]

After i listened the podcast with the Windy and Lowe; i decided that Windy is just an utter bullshit. His front office logic that every smart FO would like to get his hands on TT because a PF who can't shoot a damn free throw can switch to small guys and get offensive rebounds. He is not a very good defensive rebounder also you can't play him without a strech forward or center due to that he'll never be i mean NEVER be deserving that 5years/80million. He might not even worth to 70mil. And whatever happens i'll never forget that TT and RP tries to get more money just because of some injuries and some little leverage. He'll always be the greedy one to me and he should be booed no matter what with RP.

 

[gratefuldead]

Lowe did a good job of calling windhoagie on some of his hyperbole about TT.

Windy was serving as the mouthpiece of LRMR

 

[KI4MVP]

Because LeBron believed the deal was done when Tristan/Paul agreed in principle to the $80M/5yr deal. When they reneged on the agreement, James was already under contract.

If we do this again over the course of a season, James will not likely sign until Tristan's deal is done.

This gives Paul essentially infinite leverage, since without James, we don't really have a functional team.

That's not how I took it when it all happened. It looked to me like LeBron saw how ridiculous Tristan's position was and decided to not wait for that to get resolved because it would hurt the team.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

Keep the 5 year $80 million on the table. For every regular season game missed, subtract $1 million off the deal.

 

[Tendulkar]

What sucks is, Tristan doesn't really have much motivation not to sit out. Due to LeBron James' influence, it seems like the Cavs must keep the 5y/80m offer there on the table throughout this whole ordeal. Basically Tristan can view this as "I'm a lock to get the 80 million, but there's a chance if I wait a month or two I can get somewhere between 84 and 94 million". That's not a bad return for a month or two.

True. That's is TT angle for the last three months. Since he is offered 5/80, he thinks that's his safety net. He thinks cavs could not rescind on it due to Lebron. He wants to squeeze as much as possible.

This is what I think, by keeping the 5/80 on table Cavs are facilitating the hold out and this might drag into months, because nothing changes from now and next month or so. Cavs should put an end to this.
Give him a week or two deadline to sign. Or offer him 5/65 now. Basically tell him, if he doesn't follow suit , he has to sit his ass down for this season no matter what happens in the season. Let TR crawl back and sign it in haste. Lebron might not like it but he can't do much this season. I am sure TT will be sorted by next time Lebron has to resign.



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[LeShaq]

Ed Davis can play, especially in pick and roll. He really started to find his game last year in LA.

I don't know if Ed Davis is better than Tristan, but I would take an active Ed Davis over a holdout Tristan.

 

[KI4MVP]

What sucks is, Tristan doesn't really have much motivation not to sit out. Due to LeBron James' influence, it seems like the Cavs must keep the 5y/80m offer there on the table throughout this whole ordeal. Basically Tristan can view this as "I'm a lock to get the 80 million, but there's a chance if I wait a month or two I can get somewhere between 84 and 94 million". That's not a bad return for a month or two where his only real responsibility would be to stay in shape in the gym. It could amount to a million a week, and all this drama has given Rich Paul tons of free publicity. His name recognition must have gone through the roof from say 6 months ago.

Sure he does, NBA players are paid their full salary bi-weekly during the season. He loses about $500k of income every 2 weeks he sits if the cavs don't lower their offer. If he sits out 2 months he'll be out $3 million this year. Even if he then signs for $84 million instead of $80 million, he will only make $81 million, will start behind where he otherwise would be and won't come out ahead until the last month of the last year of his contract. If he sits out into the 3rd month, he will actually make less total money.

Edit: see my posts a few posts down with the corrected information

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Lebron might not like it but he can't do much this season.

I'm sure LeBron would be a fan of whatever measure needs to be taken that expedites TT's return to the court. I don't think anybody wants to win a championship more than LeBron; TT might think he's being cute by protracting his tomfoolery, but there has to be a point when LeBron sees that the team is being impacted and says "really, dude?"

 

[Pioneer10]

With the way AV is moving right now this holdout could kill us: it wouldn't allow us to shelve AV till after All-Star break

 

[Paul]

Sure he does, NBA players are paid their full salary bi-weekly during the season. He loses about $500k of income every 2 weeks he sits if the cavs don't lower their offer. If he sits out 2 months he'll be out $3 million this year. Even if he then signs for $84 million instead of $80 million, he will only make $81 million, will start behind where he otherwise would be and won't come out ahead until the last month of the last year of his contract. If he sits out into the 3rd month, he will actually make less total money.

Windy was saying that Jim Jackson got all his money for the season despite holding out so many games. He was a client of Mark Termini who works with Rich Paul. I'm not sure if Andy got all his money as well or if he lost the amount for games held out. Perhaps the agent can negotiate that the holdout gets the full season's pay as part of the agreement to end the holdout.

Here's an article that talks about it some:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13251694/dez-bryant-first-athlete-sit-contract-dispute-holdout

You're also working with numbers which are at the lower end of where TT is likely to land a deal. There's still a chance he could force a max deal from the Cavs, especially if Andy gets injured.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Windy was saying that Jim Jackson got all his money for the season despite holding out so many games. He was a client of Mark Termini who works with Rich Paul. I'm not sure if Andy got all his money as well or if he lost the amount for games held out. Perhaps the agent can negotiate that the holdout gets the full season's pay as part of the agreement to end the holdout.

Here's an article that talks about it some:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13251694/dez-bryant-first-athlete-sit-contract-dispute-holdout

You're also working with numbers which are at the lower end of where TT is likely to land a deal. There's still a chance he could force a max deal from the Cavs, especially if Andy gets injured.

The agent can try to get the team to pay the full amount even if the player sits out. The team can also refuse.

My guess is the Cavs have already informed Paul that any deal will be pro-rated. Whether Dan sticks to that...who knows. I suspect he will, though.

 

[KI4MVP]

I did some more research and apparently I'm wrong. He would get the full salary unless he holds out past Jan 10th.

The team can't pro-rate it otherwise because the first year's salary is used to calculate raises the following seasons.

 

[Paul]

The agent can try to get the team to pay the full amount even if the player sits out. The team can also refuse.

My guess is the Cavs have already informed Paul that any deal will be pro-rated. Whether Dan sticks to that...who knows. I suspect he will, though.

That could be, but Paul could also get that money back by basically just asking for an extra couple million. That way the Cavs can claim they aren't paying TT while he held out but TT still gets the same money. Who knows, hehe.

Unfortunately I don't think there's really a way that Tristan comes out of this a loser, unless you can call 5y/80m for a role player "losing".

What I'd love to see is a sign and trade of Tristan but it just doesn't seem realistic ATM.