Tristan Thompson

[Futuredome]

Yes, as we all know team victories is the only way to judge individual player performance. So, you must think Kyrie Irving is pretty terrible.

.......which Cavs players are being judged as "overrated" by. Drummond thus, by RCF belief, is overrated.

His lacks of offensive game and doesn't always try on defense leading toward lapses and losses.........going by the RCF motto.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

His skill set right now is apt for a center. It is really rare to find a complemementary piece for him if he plays the 4 unless he is Spencer Hawes. The solution is him to fire up those perimeter shots more often. He is wiiiiide open most of the time, he really should let it fly.

I think that Thompson is a center in today's NBA, and before you point out how undersized he is for center, look around the league and count how many current centers would man-handle him in the paint (spoiler alert-you won't make it past 4-5).

When I watch him play, I see one of these Cavalier legends everytime...

or

Ideal as a 90's power forward/center. Fratello ended up using both of them as undersized centers with not so great athleticism but good positional defense in the role that Tristan looks most comfortable in. 6'9, undersized, robotic and deliberate, but awkwardly effective blue collar hustle player. He is able to contribute offensively with the ball in his hands when he gets those lumbering centers on him, he feels comfortable enough to put the ball on the floor and get that weird hook that Tyrone is shooting in the second pic up.

If he were 3 inches taller/longer in reach, we'd have a below the rim center with good quickness. As it is, we have a below the rim PF with none of the range or faceup game that makes the best PF's in today's game (Love, Bosh, Aldridge, Gasol, Randolph, Lee) work in this wide open floor spacing NBA.

When Tristan and Tyler played so much last year, it wasnt PF that Tristan was playing while putting up the numbers he did. Zeller was playing the faceup 4, albeit horribly. If something were to happen with Bynum, you put Tristan back down at center where Byron got the best results from him at and limit his time with Andy and watch him give you those stats he put up last year.

 

[mcfly]

Everything I have seen from Thompson points to him being able to improve on his weaknesses. Give the kid a couple more years, and I think he can give you 16-18 and 10 night in and night out.

 

[Tornicade]

Uh Thompson numbers are exactly after 14 games to what they wer e last year. His is taking more jumpshots so his percentage is coming down. Thompson didnt score well for 2 out of three games. but I dont see it as a cause for concern yet

 

[EdMonix11]

Uh Thompson numbers are exactly after 14 games to what they wer e last year. His is taking more jumpshots so his percentage is coming down. Thompson didnt score well for 2 out of three games. but I dont see it as a cause for concern yet

Well, I think it just kinda boils down to the fact that TT's skills just don't fit with what we really need offensively from the PF position.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

.......which Cavs players are being judged as "overrated" by. Drummond thus, by RCF belief, is overrated.

His lacks of offensive game and doesn't always try on defense leading toward lapses and losses.........going by the RCF motto.

Point blank at your right now. Every GM in the league would take Drummond over TT 100/100.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Well, I think it just kinda boils down to the fact that TT's skills just don't fit with what we really need offensively from the PF position.

There are two solutions here going forward. Have TT fire up his mid range shots alot during games or we go extreme small ball with KI/Dion/Kara/Bennett/TT. That is probably the smallest starting 5 in the history of the game.

That does not scream championship caliber but I bet we can push some playoff teams to the limit with the offensive potential of that crew.

 

[rabman_gold]

There are two solutions here going forward. Have TT fire up his mid range shots alot during games or we go extreme small ball with KI/Dion/Kara/Bennett/TT. That is probably the smallest starting 5 in the history of the game.

That does not scream championship caliber but I bet we can push some playoff teams to the limit with the offensive potential of that crew.

Also, if Bennett manages to reclaim confidence, he could start for the time being until Thompson feels consistent with the jumper since a year isn't enough to be automatic as he's shown. We don't have good balance in the front court, because of TT, and he's my favorite player.

It's a tough solution. Which will work best?

 

[Tornicade]

so Bennett knocks in a few shots and now Tristan Thompson isnt a viable starter?

this board has lost its mind

 

[Los216]

so Bennett knocks in a few shots and now Tristan Thompson isnt a viable starter?

this board has lost its mind

I always thought TT was best suited playing the same role Andy did when Lebron was here which is the first big off the bench. I know he's shown he can start games but I think he would be better coming off the bench as would Dion.

 

[Tornicade]

I really dont mind young guys coming off the bench. so lets start Jack, Gee, Miles, AV and Bynum and trade everyone else. as soon as they have a rough stretch of games that could be attributed to their youth

 

[rabman_gold]

so Bennett knocks in a few shots and now Tristan Thompson isnt a viable starter?

this board has lost its mind

Can't say I appreciate you trying to interpret my message. J.J. hardly proved anything but found himself in the rotation his second year because it just fit best.

Currently, we're running into the same problem because of Bynum's demand to start and Brown's reliance on correct matchups and lineups.

I'm not saying to start Bennett at the moment, just an idea on if he eventually looks like a player out there if Thompson continues to loose confidence in his shot. As long as Andy's still here, we can't do any better than one of the younger guys. Clark is actually the best fit but is also the least bit talented, so I wouldn't be surprised if Brown gives that a shot at some point.

And it's not about if he's a starter or not. In Brown's case, he fits like a square peg in round hole (unless he hits jumpers). If we got a floor spacing center instead, it might produce different results.

In my opinion, TT's a starter quality, maybe a future fringe all-star. And he's my favorite guy, but I understand his reluctance is hurting. If he follows through with that shot, it'll go in at least 35% of the time. I know he's still practicing it but 1.5 years isn't enough to make major progress just yet.

 

[Tornicade]

Can't say I appreciate you trying to interpret my message. J.J. hardly proved anything but found himself in the rotation his second year because it just fit best.

Currently, we're running into the same problem because of Bynum's demand to start and Brown's reliance on correct matchups and lineups.

I'm not saying to start Bennett at the moment, just an idea on if he eventually looks like a player out there if Thompson continues to loose confidence in his shot. As long as Andy's still here, we can't do any better than one of the younger guys. Clark is actually the best fit but is also the least bit talented, so I wouldn't be surprised if Brown gives that a shot at some point.

And it's not about if he's a starter or not. In Brown's case, he fits like a square peg in round hole (unless he hits jumpers). If we got a floor spacing center instead, it might produce different results.

In my opinion, TT's a starter quality, maybe a future fringe all-star. And he's my favorite guy, but I understand his reluctance is hurting. If he follows through with that shot, it'll go in at least 35% of the time. I know he's still practicing it but 1.5 years isn't enough to make major progress just yet.

butwhat if its not TT throwing things off and Its Bynum. Bynum needs to adjust to his personel. He has already admitted he isnt used to a multiple guard orientated offense and find himself doing things out of the triangle. The Cavs dont have a triangle.

This means he isnt used to guys cutting into the paint after he dishes the ball to him. It impacts the way he is blocking out and where he positions himself offensively.

Bynum will stretch the floor fine and he will have moments when he forgets about T but right now he has to get used to the guard play and find a way to compliment it just as much as the guards do.

when you have a 7 foot big man with a jump shot stating he sometimes finds himself out of position then that has to be given some credence.

 

[Los216]

]butwhat if its not TT throwing things off and Its Bynum[/B]. Bynum needs to adjust to his personel. He has already admitted he isnt used to a multiple guard orientated offense and find himself doing things out of the triangle. The Cavs dont have a triangle.

This means he isnt used to guys cutting into the paint after he dishes the ball to him. It impacts the way he is blocking out and where he positions himself offensively.

Bynum will stretch the floor fine and he will have moments when he forgets about T but right now he has to get used to the guard play and find a way to compliment it just as much as the guards do.

when you have a 7 foot big man with a jump shot stating he sometimes finds himself out of position then that has to be given some credence.

It's not Bynum though because unlike TT Bynum can step out and hit mid range shots consistently and he commands a double. TT right now can't step out 15 ft and hit a jump shot with confidence at all and he doesn't draw doubles that leave shooters open like Bynum.

When you look at the two players even with Bynum's injury issues he's still a bigger threat than TT offensively and it shows every game when he gets doubled and displays his ability to find the open man.

TT looks to score every time he touches the ball and he's been really indecisive on how he wants to do it. We don't have that issue with Bynum. When Bynum gets it he knows he can back his man down or if he gets enough space he can knock down a jump shot. At this point TT can not do either of those consistently.

 

[rabman_gold]

butwhat if its not TT throwing things off and Its Bynum. Bynum needs to adjust to his personel. He has already admitted he isnt used to a multiple guard orientated offense and find himself doing things out of the triangle. The Cavs dont have a triangle.

This means he isnt used to guys cutting into the paint after he dishes the ball to him. It impacts the way he is blocking out and where he positions himself offensively.

Bynum will stretch the floor fine and he will have moments when he forgets about T but right now he has to get used to the guard play and find a way to compliment it just as much as the guards do.

when you have a 7 foot big man with a jump shot stating he sometimes finds himself out of position then that has to be given some credence.

While I do agree that it could be Bynum, that's because he has a all-star ego attached to him, even if he isn't showing it. To appease to a former all-star so you can compete is a hard job, because the front office knows they can't win unless they have a big body that fills the lanes. Maybe he has a jump shot, but he prefers the post and even if the guards have to learn to feed him, it won't stop Tristan's man from keeping the paint closed down.

So then what, we could try to make everyone happy, but they're losing too many games to get that to work, once we start winning, we'll be able to address the situation.