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Tristan is better than both.

Ed Davis got his pay day this summer. Reggie Evans isn't even signed to a team.

What makes you think the Cavs have the ability to sign a young championship quality big for cheap when they've never done it?

Yeah, and Ed Davis' pay day was about 3yrs/20mil. That's about right for a role playing big man. TT is probably worth about 1.5 times an Ed Davis. We've offered to pay him essentially double what Ed Davis' "pay day" was and that's not enough.
 
It's not a straw man argument if I'm asking you to be specific about what the Cavs can do next summer to replace him with limited resources.

It's not next summer.... a lot can change in a year. Players can sign extensions. Players can emerge (Did you know who Hassan Whiteside even was this time last year?). It's absolutely a straw man because I have no way of knowing who will be available next summer and how good they will be. This time last year we though we signed good veteran players in Shawn Marion and Mike Miller. How'd that work out? A lot can change in a year...
 
Why do you think TT is a championship quality big? What is this arbitrary definition of "championship quality big?" A player worth starting on the majority of teams in the league? Can you actually find me one team where TT would start?

The Cavs may not sign cheap bigs, but they seem to draft/trade for decent bigs in the 2nd round.

Because he was a starting PF in the Finals?

Because he was the big man that had the biggest impact in the Eastern Conference playoffs? Did he not outwork the Bulls front court? Did he not make Paul Milsap look small?
 
What hand does this guy shoot with? Has he decided?
 
There could be some backroom dealings going on here. This move saves Gilbert $40 million in luxury tax this season. He could turn around and give TT an even larger contract next year than what he was asking for this year, to show his appreciation.
 
Show me the list of bigs that can replace him and his production available for the minimum next summer.
Why does it have to be for the minimum? Why couldn't we use our TPE for a player worth around 10 million? We would also have the mini MLE next year as well, right?

If TT signs the QO, would he have a no trade clause?
 
Yeah, and Ed Davis' pay day was about 3yrs/20mil. That's about right for a role playing big man. TT is probably worth about 1.5 times an Ed Davis. We've offered to pay him essentially double what Ed Davis' "pay day" was and that's not enough.

Ed got a deal that the Cavs can't offer to anyone next summer. Do you get that?

It's not next summer.... a lot can change in a year. Players can sign extensions. Players can emerge (Did you know who Hassan Whiteside even was this time last year?). It's absolutely a straw man because I have no way of knowing who will be available next summer and how good they will be. This time last year we though we signed good veteran players in Shawn Marion and Mike Miller. How'd that work out? A lot can change in a year...

If you have no way of knowing the future then why make a comment and say he's replaceable?
 
Well, I think the Cavs were considering this and were expecting something similar to this since I don't think they really wanna pay the man that much so they tried to draft a solid PF/C in Christmas but they bust..
there were 2 other better options it seems in Richaun Holmes and Jordan Mickey(after seeing the summer league games).


I was hoping we would sign Brandan Wright, I rate him higher than TT considering the contract and needed skills for the Cavs,
that's too bad
let's see what happens.
 
Because he was a starting PF in the Finals?

Because he was the big man that had the biggest impact in the Eastern Conference playoffs? Did he not outwork the Bulls front court? Did he not make Paul Milsap look small?

He was only a starting PF because our top 10 all star PF went down with an injury. And I'd counter with that he played more as the backup center with LBJ or JJ at the 4 than he did actually playing as the PF.

Doesn't hurt that Bulls front court that he outworked featured a center on one leg, a couple games of hobbled Pau Gasol, and Taj Gibson. Nothing that screams OMG TRISTAN IS A BEAST! No, he outworked a couple injured old big men and Taj Gibson.
 
Why does it have to be for the minimum? Why couldn't we use our TPE for a player worth around 10 million? We would also have the mini MLE next year as well, right?

If TT signs the QO, would he have a no trade clause?

That TPE needs a sweetener which the Cavs don't have.

If you sign the QO you have to give consent to be traded and you lose your bird rights.
 
Ed got a deal that the Cavs can't offer to anyone next summer. Do you get that?



If you have no way of knowing the future then why make a comment and say he's replaceable?

And Ed played for how many years on a vet minimum contract before getting that payday? Did anyone think that 25 year old Ed Davis would play on a vet minimum contract? Just like you claim there's no one out there to replace him with, I claim that there are a ton of opportunities, you just have to be open to the possibilities existing.
 
Windy on WKNR:

-No movement since July 8th or 10th for TT's deal. There has been no progress but Rich Paul has issued a statement to media outlets that if TT is forced to take the QO this year, that this will be his last year with the Cavs. This is all very typical rhetoric that happens this time of the year, it has happened with a lot of RFA and will happen in the future. It happened with Delonte West, Drew Gooden and Andy V.

-There is an enormous jump in the salary cap next year so a lot of teams will have money to spend (about 20 teams). It is a great time to be a free agent in 2015. There is a lot of money but not as much talent, so as a result the UFA's will get vastly paid. This is why TT's viewpoint is different and he can drive a harder bargain.

-If this was 2013, it is an easy bluff to call. He believes at 25, for TT to be a UFA at that age is unheard of. He thinks he will get 3-5 offers of $20M a year next year. There aren't a lot of big men free agents next year and teams have money to spend. You can't compare him to guys on existing deals because everything will change next year. This is why its hard to predict what will happen.

-Windy thinks its in the Cavs interests to pay TT now. Even if you overpay him, you do not want to risk losing him next year. The Cavs have spent a lot but they have locked in the core of their team (Iman, Love, Kyrie and hopefully TT) at this years prices. A year from now, those contracts will look better.

-Salary cap space isn't valuable when everyone else has it. You are better off locking in your contracts now but they have a luxury tax issue to worry about. He thinks they should go ahead and do the deal but he can see the Cavs saying "is he worth $85-90M?". TT will be a Cav next year, is it on his terms or the Cavs?

-The TT issue is an example of how LBJ is not the GM of the Cavs. If he was the GM, David Blatt may have been fired in December. He doesn't call all the shots because the Cavs have held a line here. Where LBJ can swing a hammer is on Thursday. He is giving his first and only press conference at Cedar Point and he will be asked about TT. He can apply some pressure to the Cavs by saying the Cavs need to lock him up to a long term deal.

-It is possible that TT could hold out and not report to training camp. He doesn't think it will come to that because $7M is a lot for the QO. Rich Paul threw a fastball today and this is complete negotiating posturing and positing right now. Let's see if LBJ turns up the heat.

-You can't look at old contracts and look at new ones. John Wall was upset when Reggie Jackson got an $80M contract. Jackson got his deal when there were teams with cap space. If TT is sitting there unrestricted next year, he will get 3-5 offers of over $100M. This isn't 2013 or old contracts.

-TT hasn't missed a game in 3 and a half years so he is durable. If you are worried about TT taking a chance on his health and doing the QO next year, think about this. A 29 year old Wes Matthews can get $70M over 4 years with a Achilles tear, you think a team won't give money to TT? Can you imagine what it will cost to keep Mozgov next year? He thinks he will get $16M-$20M a year next year.

-He hasn't heard a word on JR Smith. He thinks the Cavs have an offer out to him but he may not be happy with it so he is waiting to see what comes through.

Thanks!
 
Tristan is better than both.

Ed Davis got his pay day this summer. Reggie Evans isn't even signed to a team.

What makes you think the Cavs have the ability to sign a young championship quality big for cheap when they've never done it?

Quibble about quality and whatever, but David West and Josh Smith are quality bigs who signed for the minimum. Last year didn't Whiteside sign for the minimum? They are out there on both sides of the chasm, tho' obviously more old dudes willing to take a small check....

a few years ago Brandon Wright was this guy. This guy is out there in varying skill ratios with surprising frequency
 
Ed got a deal that the Cavs can't offer to anyone next summer. Do you get that?

I'm not saying we have to sign Ed fucking Davis. I'm saying that he was properly paid and that an Ed Davis comparable player doesn't deserve to be paid like Kyrie Irving. Ed Davis' deal is a lot closer to Tristan's fair market value than what Tristan is asking for or has been offered.

If you have no way of knowing the future then why make a comment and say he's replaceable

Because he is. He's depth. He's energy off the bench. He's not a front line player. He's not Kevin Love, Kyrie Irving or LeBron James. Those guys are irreplaceable. You could argue that Mozgov due to the rarity of his skill set is close to irreplaceable. There are high energy, garbageman PFs all over this league. TT happens to be one of the better ones but the his replacement value is not that high.

Also, as others have pointed out your whole premise of signing TT to a max deal this year or having to replace him with a minimum salary player is a false premise. We'll have the TPE to make trades with, we'll have the MMLE and honesty, who knows what assets we'll have next year because other trades can and most likely will be made. Ed Davis and Hassan Whiteside are two guys last year that were available for the vet min. David West was available this year for the vet min. David Lee was traded for a sack of deflated basketballs.

This team can survive without Tristan Thompson.
 
Tristan can go ahead and leave. Then he'll realize his mistake when no one pays him even the initial 5/60 we offered. Love and Mozgov should be getting the lionshare of minutes up front anyways. Plus we need more lineups with Love at the 5 and LBJ at the 4.
 
Remember when that guy Gourimoko said "we better trade Tristan while we have the chance, he's going to demand a fortune and we'd be better off getting value while we can."

Remember how many folks said .. "Noo.. He's not going to get anything more than $12M!"

Lol...

Hope this is a lesson to many of you out there. Don't get emotionally attached to these players. We should've traded Tristan at last years deadline before all of this happened. A backup specialist big on a $94M contract...

fuck outta here...

If LB didn't come back, I think Tristan would have been dealt.

But, LB coming back, and Tristan represented by Rich Paul, I understand why they didn't trade him at the time. Given they wanted to do everything to secure LB coming back at that point.

Maybe they should have tried to move him at the deadline though. Really curious if the Cavs wanted to trade Tristan, but didn't in fear of how LB would feel about it. Hard to say how the Cavs truly feel about Tristan, given he's tied to LB, and that changes the dynamic a lot.

But in hindsight, we should have traded him, especially if LB might not have liked it, but would have at least accepted it. This is Tristan Thompson, not Wade, right?
 

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