he knows so much he just lost in the 1st round to an 8 seed in the NIT
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he knows so much he just lost in the 1st round to an 8 seed in the NIT
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Yeah but with that Bench and Injuries I am not shocked. Figure In a hopefully Improved Waiters and Irving, With potential offensive growth from Tristan and Ellington and Spieghts now on our roster seems our offense Is set. What we need Is a force weather at SF or C. Oladipo has potential to fill that combo him with Gee and get a hopeful healthy as can be Oden and hope a decent center falls to Us and we shall be set. AV is the freaking wild card here.... what do we do with him?
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My apologies in advance because I'm sure this will not be formatted well.
A few pages back I saw a few people criticizing Oladipo's offensive skill set.
Oladipo is currently 37th in the nation in Offensive rating.
Offensive rating from wikipedia: Offensive Rating = (Points Produced / Individual Possessions) x 100
Points can be produced through field goals, free throws, assists, and offensive rebounds. Individual possessions are the sum of a player's scoring possessions (field goals, free throws, plus partial credit for assists), missed field goals and free throws that the defense rebounds, and turnovers.
Interestingly, if you look at only the players who play at least 40% of each game (so players getting decent minutes), and players who account for at least 20% of their teams possessions: Oladipo is 13th in offensive rating.
He is 8th in true shooting percentage (66.9%) and 10th in eFG% (64.3%)
Here are a few notable players that I have seen mentioned on this site multiple times that also rank below Oladipo in eFG%: Alex Oriakhi (64.2%), Doug McDermott (63.3%), and Alex Poythress (61.1%).
He is just outside the top 100 (112th) in offensive rebound% (percentage of possible offensive rebounds a player gets and computed as PlayerOR / [%Min * (Team OR + Opp. DR)]. The denominator is scaled based on the percentage of a team’s minutes played by the player.)
His assists and turnovers are not exactly ideal, but since we have Kyrie; he wouldn't really be relied on to create lots of opportunities for scoring (even though shooting he lights out can indirectly have that effect.
Another criticism I have of his offensive game is that he doesn't get to the free throw line very often. Free throw rate is calculated by 100*FTA/FGA. This measures a player’s ability to get the line relative to how often he attempts to score. His free throw rate is 42.0 which is 426th in the nation.
And here is a defensive stat of his just for good measure: Oladipo records a steal on 4.7% of opponent's possessions. Good for 16th in the nation.
Finally, for those that have not heard of Ken Pomeroy, he is an advanced stats wizard with comprehensive stats on every single player and team in division 1. A few years ago he created the kPOY award
Oladipo is 9th overall in the kPOY standings.
A few pages back I saw a few people criticizing Oladipo's offensive skill set.
Oladipo is currently 37th in the nation in Offensive rating.
Offensive rating from wikipedia: Offensive Rating = (Points Produced / Individual Possessions) x 100
Points can be produced through field goals, free throws, assists, and offensive rebounds. Individual possessions are the sum of a player's scoring possessions (field goals, free throws, plus partial credit for assists), missed field goals and free throws that the defense rebounds, and turnovers.
Interestingly, if you look at only the players who play at least 40% of each game (so players getting decent minutes), and players who account for at least 20% of their teams possessions: Oladipo is 13th in offensive rating.
He is 8th in true shooting percentage (66.9%) and 10th in eFG% (64.3%)
Here are a few notable players that I have seen mentioned on this site multiple times that also rank below Oladipo in eFG%: Alex Oriakhi (64.2%), Doug McDermott (63.3%), and Alex Poythress (61.1%).
He is just outside the top 100 (112th) in offensive rebound% (percentage of possible offensive rebounds a player gets and computed as PlayerOR / [%Min * (Team OR + Opp. DR)]. The denominator is scaled based on the percentage of a team’s minutes played by the player.)
His assists and turnovers are not exactly ideal, but since we have Kyrie; he wouldn't really be relied on to create lots of opportunities for scoring (even though shooting he lights out can indirectly have that effect.
Another criticism I have of his offensive game is that he doesn't get to the free throw line very often. Free throw rate is calculated by 100*FTA/FGA. This measures a player’s ability to get the line relative to how often he attempts to score. His free throw rate is 42.0 which is 426th in the nation.
And here is a defensive stat of his just for good measure: Oladipo records a steal on 4.7% of opponent's possessions. Good for 16th in the nation.
Finally, for those that have not heard of Ken Pomeroy, he is an advanced stats wizard with comprehensive stats on every single player and team in division 1. A few years ago he created the kPOY award
Oladipo is 9th overall in the kPOY standings.
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First round pick...coming off the bench? No thanks.
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It's inconceivable.....
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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but IMO from watching him his main issues are: 1. size not ideal of SF; 2. handles are very suspect at the next level (turns the ball over too much as well); and 3. shot isn't up to NBA par for a top SF. Athleticism and steals go only so far in the NBA.
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The problem is this: He's the size of a SG. If he plays at SG in the NBA, he's a plus defender that will provide very little offense, if any, because he'll be reliant upon transition, cuts, etc. and that's not what you want out of a SG. If he plays SF, his defensive ability is negated because he'd have to defend the post, but he'd provide more offense because a SF wouldn't be asked to create for himself and others.
I'm liking the idea of Oladipo more and more, and I've already written a long post gushing on Porter, so I need to write one here too.
First of all, not many SF's outside of LeBron are going to post up Oladipo effectively. He's too long, too strong, too athletic, and too competitive. If you think otherwise, you haven't watched him play. Oladipo has, if anything, an above-average wingspan for an SF at 6'11.5", and that's the number that matters. The only difference height makes is raising your center of gravity, and that's a bad thing. 8 boards, 2.8 steals, and 1 block per 36. Those are SF numbers. Except that SFs aren't supposed to get that many steals. We'll call them Oladipo numbers. He has no weaknesses defensively. If you wanted to create the perfect perimeter defender, you would create Victor Oladipo.
Still not convinced? Compare with Ben McLemore. He's also a 6'5" athletic freak and is considered an excellent defender, but has a more normal 6'7.5" wingspan. He averaged 5.8 boards, 1.1 steals, and 0.8 blocks per 36. Those are awesome numbers, but they're awesome SG numbers.
Or compare with Porter, who has prototypical SF size, but lacks the strength and athleticism of Oladipo. He averaged 7.6 boards, 1.9 steals, and 0.9 blocks per 36. Those are great SF numbers, but amazingly he's bested in every category by 3 inch shorter Oladipo. Actually, it's not amazing because that's what happens when you combine crazy athleticism with the wingspan of a small plane.
Still somehow not convinced? Let DraftExpress convince you:
"With the ability to guard up to four positions at the college level, Oladipo projects to be able to defend all three perimeter positions at the NBA level, depending on matchups. He has the speed and quickness to cover point guards, and his athleticism, strength, and toughness should enable him to guard most small forwards as well. Coaches will likely value the flexibility Oladipo gives them on the defensive end, as they can cross-match and hide weaker defenders while putting Oladipo on the opposing team's top perimeter threat, regardless of position."
To sum up, this is a guy with dizzying lateral quickness, insane hops, a nonstop motor, and a near-7' wingspan. He has DPOY potential. If you're still not convinced you'll just half to watch film; i'm not sure what else to say.
Should we be concerned about his offense? No! The offense he brings is a perfect fit for this team. His only weakness is that he struggles to create, and we already have Kyrie, Dion, and apparently now Tristan who can do that. I actually think it would be a poor idea to draft a guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective on offense. What we need at SF is a roleplayer, and Oladipo is the ultimate roleplayer on offense.
60/44/75 shooting splits. Doug McDermott is the only other player in Basketball-Reference's entire database, college or pro, who can claim to match those numbers (college goes back to 1998-'99). Playing within his role (which, again, is all we need him to do), he would be an incredible asset with his ability to space the floor and finish at the rim. Did I mention that he shot 70% at the rim? Well, he did, and it's not surprising because he just dunks everything in sight.
Also, 3.3 offensive rebounds per 36. That's not a typo. He's not afraid to mix it up in the paint, and he does so very, very effectively. Faried is the only SF in the NBA who managed a better rate this year, and he's not even a SF. What was that one skill you remember hearing that translates really well the the NBA? It's offensive rebounding. 3.3 offensive boards + 2.8 steals per 36 minutes. He basically gives your team a free possession every 6 minutes he's on the court.
He also averaged 2.7 assists per 36. Just in case you were worried that he was, in some way, not the perfect fit for us on offense.
He has an excellent work ethic, and an elite motor. By drafting him, you ensure that he'll only be covering Kyrie in practice, and never in a game. He's exactly what we need on defense and on offense. Just yes. He is now tied with Porter at #2 on my big board. Now go watch his DX video if you haven't already.
First of all, not many SF's outside of LeBron are going to post up Oladipo effectively. He's too long, too strong, too athletic, and too competitive. If you think otherwise, you haven't watched him play. Oladipo has, if anything, an above-average wingspan for an SF at 6'11.5", and that's the number that matters. The only difference height makes is raising your center of gravity, and that's a bad thing. 8 boards, 2.8 steals, and 1 block per 36. Those are SF numbers. Except that SFs aren't supposed to get that many steals. We'll call them Oladipo numbers. He has no weaknesses defensively. If you wanted to create the perfect perimeter defender, you would create Victor Oladipo.
Still not convinced? Compare with Ben McLemore. He's also a 6'5" athletic freak and is considered an excellent defender, but has a more normal 6'7.5" wingspan. He averaged 5.8 boards, 1.1 steals, and 0.8 blocks per 36. Those are awesome numbers, but they're awesome SG numbers.
Or compare with Porter, who has prototypical SF size, but lacks the strength and athleticism of Oladipo. He averaged 7.6 boards, 1.9 steals, and 0.9 blocks per 36. Those are great SF numbers, but amazingly he's bested in every category by 3 inch shorter Oladipo. Actually, it's not amazing because that's what happens when you combine crazy athleticism with the wingspan of a small plane.
Still somehow not convinced? Let DraftExpress convince you:
"With the ability to guard up to four positions at the college level, Oladipo projects to be able to defend all three perimeter positions at the NBA level, depending on matchups. He has the speed and quickness to cover point guards, and his athleticism, strength, and toughness should enable him to guard most small forwards as well. Coaches will likely value the flexibility Oladipo gives them on the defensive end, as they can cross-match and hide weaker defenders while putting Oladipo on the opposing team's top perimeter threat, regardless of position."
To sum up, this is a guy with dizzying lateral quickness, insane hops, a nonstop motor, and a near-7' wingspan. He has DPOY potential. If you're still not convinced you'll just half to watch film; i'm not sure what else to say.
Should we be concerned about his offense? No! The offense he brings is a perfect fit for this team. His only weakness is that he struggles to create, and we already have Kyrie, Dion, and apparently now Tristan who can do that. I actually think it would be a poor idea to draft a guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective on offense. What we need at SF is a roleplayer, and Oladipo is the ultimate roleplayer on offense.
60/44/75 shooting splits. Doug McDermott is the only other player in Basketball-Reference's entire database, college or pro, who can claim to match those numbers (college goes back to 1998-'99). Playing within his role (which, again, is all we need him to do), he would be an incredible asset with his ability to space the floor and finish at the rim. Did I mention that he shot 70% at the rim? Well, he did, and it's not surprising because he just dunks everything in sight.
Also, 3.3 offensive rebounds per 36. That's not a typo. He's not afraid to mix it up in the paint, and he does so very, very effectively. Faried is the only SF in the NBA who managed a better rate this year, and he's not even a SF. What was that one skill you remember hearing that translates really well the the NBA? It's offensive rebounding. 3.3 offensive boards + 2.8 steals per 36 minutes. He basically gives your team a free possession every 6 minutes he's on the court.
He also averaged 2.7 assists per 36. Just in case you were worried that he was, in some way, not the perfect fit for us on offense.
He has an excellent work ethic, and an elite motor. By drafting him, you ensure that he'll only be covering Kyrie in practice, and never in a game. He's exactly what we need on defense and on offense. Just yes. He is now tied with Porter at #2 on my big board. Now go watch his DX video if you haven't already.
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The Oladipo train is sounding a lot like the MKG corral from a while back.
I'm a bit worried...
I'm a bit worried...
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If we draft Oladipo over Len, RichfieldRaisedCav is going to blow a gasket. As far as Oladipo goes, you would have to think the hiring of Mike Brown at least increases the chance they'll give him a serious look, if they weren't already planning on it.
I guess the most recent comparison to that type of perimeter pressure offensively, but especially defensively would be the BadBoy Pistons the years they had Isiah, Dumar, and Dantley and then Isiah, Dumars, and Agguire.
I almost wish FA happened before the draft. If the Cavs were able to get Pekovic, it would make a situation like that so much more appealing from the get go. Without that foresight, we're going to have to really count on the future assets and cap space to find a way to bring a huge defensive interior presence to the team.
I guess the most recent comparison to that type of perimeter pressure offensively, but especially defensively would be the BadBoy Pistons the years they had Isiah, Dumar, and Dantley and then Isiah, Dumars, and Agguire.
I almost wish FA happened before the draft. If the Cavs were able to get Pekovic, it would make a situation like that so much more appealing from the get go. Without that foresight, we're going to have to really count on the future assets and cap space to find a way to bring a huge defensive interior presence to the team.
I know it's a bit of a stretch, but I think Gorgui Dieng could be our guy there. He's big, strong, moves well, and has good instincts on defense. Ideally you'd want a guy with more upside, but he seems like a totally reasonable 20 minute a night guy right out of the gate, which is really all we need with Andy, Tristan, and Tyler already in the rotation. Long term he's probably a 7th or 8th man on a contender at best, though.
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