Victor Oladipo Crush-a-lot

[BimboColesHair]

What did he shoot last year on more attempts?

Just stop. He's yet to play a full season and has 3 less 3 point attempts this year. Quit with your straw man arguments.

 

[Swisher33]

Just stop. He's yet to play a full season and has 3 less 3 point attempts this year. Quit with your straw man arguments.

No i will not stop, if you dont like hearing facts then gtfo its that simple
its not a strawman argument when its a legit concern, if he's that good of a shooter why was he so god awful the year before? the kid is incredibly overrated and wont do anything significant in the NBA

 

[BimboColesHair]

No i will not stop, if you dont like hearing facts then gtfo its that simple
its not a strawman argument when its a legit concern, if he's that good of a shooter why was he so god awful the year before? the kid is incredibly overrated and wont do anything significant in the NBA

What facts? You said he's a 20% 3 point shooter, you were wrong. You said he took more attempts last year, you're about to be wrong. Why was he so god awful last year? I don't know, do players not improve? Didn't you just get banned? Better ease up on how you post.

 

[Swisher33]

What facts? You said he's a 20% 3 point shooter, you were wrong. You said he took more attempts last year, you're about to be wrong. Why was he so god awful last year? I don't know, do players not improve? Didn't you just get banned? Better ease up on how you post.

where was i wrong? he's a 20% 3 point shooter, i go by most attempts not some smaller strawman sample size arguments
and no im not wrong on attempts either, you should probably go do some research before you think you can come at me again, you continue to get owned and proven wrong

Players improve, but some just aren't good to begin with no matter how much they "improve" like Oladipo

 

[MGMT]

No i will not stop, if you dont like hearing facts then gtfo its that simple
its not a strawman argument when its a legit concern, if he's that good of a shooter why was he so god awful the year before? the kid is incredibly overrated and wont do anything significant in the NBA

I could care less when people disagree or have a different opinion about a player. That's totally fine, it's what makes discussion and this place more interesting.

What's not fine, is your sorry ass attempt at arguing against a player that has been the most important member of the best team in the country that looks like a a completely transformed human being on the court.

There are things you could cite to state your claim detesting victor: suspect handles, creation of his own offense, sustainability of his shot going forward, left handed-driving.

You're not doing that though, you've come out of nowhere, and like a child, called this kid a bum and are completely blind to his in-game productivity and the depth of his team.

You realize IU is absolutely LOADED with deep shooting right? I'm pretty sure they've got something along the lines of 3 or 4 of the top 10 3-point shooters in the country percentage-wise; therefore, he simply doesn't need to take all of the shots. They can spread the wealth, and it makes them more dangerous. Vic's proven throughout THE ENTIRE SEASON (not last year which no one gives a shit about anymore) that leaving him open deep is a mistake, on a consistent basis THIS SEASON.

I haven't even touched base on his defensive instincts, offensive rebounding and finishing at the rim. His play speaks for itself, anyone that's watched an IU game this year on a big stage will attest to his prowess in the floor.

And dude, if you keep citing "last year" as the basis of your argument, people are going to start ignoring you and rightfully so. Feel free to join us 2013 at any time.

 

[BimboColesHair]

where was i wrong? he's a 20% 3 point shooter, i go by most attempts not some smaller strawman sample size arguments
and no im not wrong on attempts either, you should probably go do some research before you think you can come at me again, you continue to get owned and proven wrong

Players improve, but some just aren't good to begin with no matter how much they "improve" like Oladipo

He was a 20% 3 point shooter LAST YEAR! What is so hard to understand about that. At this moment, while we are talking about him right now, he is a 51% 3 point shooter and has taken basically the same amount of attempts as he did LAST YEAR. Look if you don't believe me http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51480/victor-oladipo

Quit trying to act tough, you're wrong, get over it.

 

[Wine and Gold]

What did he shoot last year on more attempts?

You can't compare last year to this year with this kid. He's developed tremendously ...watch him now and you'll see what is becoming very obvious. This kid is extremely rare and special. He'll actually develop into a premier scorer in the NBA as well .. he's just now getting it figured out and allowing his excepional athletic abilities to translate to the court in gametime action. If we aren't picking top three, we won't sniff him, so don't get your hopes up, folks.

 

[BimboColesHair]

You can't compare last year to this year with this kid. He's developed tremendously ...watch him now and you'll see what is becoming very obvious. This kid is extremely rare and special. He'll actually develop into a premier scorer in the NBA as well .. he's just now getting it figured out and allowing his excepional athletic abilities to translate to the court in gametime action. If we aren't picking top three, we won't sniff him, so don't get your hopes up, folks.

Don't even bother with that guy W&G. He's convinced stats from last year are more important than the ones from this year.

 

[1B4IGO]

You can't compare last year to this year with this kid. He's developed tremendously ...watch him now and you'll see what is becoming very obvious. This kid is extremely rare and special. He'll actually develop into a premier scorer in the NBA as well .. he's just now getting it figured out and allowing his excepional athletic abilities to translate to the court in gametime action. If we aren't picking top three, we won't sniff him, so don't get your hopes up, folks.

Exactly. Experience is the greatest teacher out there as is repetition. It's simply inaccurate and quite naive to think someone won't improve with age and practice if he is honing his craft.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

I like Victor a lot, but I'm somewhat concerned by the similar career arc with Derrick Williams. Comes into the season as an unheralded prospect, only to all of a sudden dramatically increase his efficiency.

Derrick Williams
2010: 57.4/25 (.5 attempts/game)
2011: 59.5/56.8 (1.9 attempts/game)

Oladipo:
2012: 47.1/20.8 (on 1.3 attempts/game)
2013: 63.9/51.1 (on 1.7 attempts/game)

Obviously this disregards his motor as well as plenty of other things, but it's my primary concern.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I like Victor a lot, but I'm somewhat concerned by the similar career arc with Derrick Williams. Comes into the season as an unheralded prospect, only to all of a sudden dramatically increase his efficiency.

Derrick Williams
2010: 57.4/25 (.5 attempts/game)
2011: 59.5/56.8 (1.9 attempts/game)

Oladipo:
2012: 47.1/20.8 (on 1.3 attempts/game)
2013: 63.9/51.1 (on 1.7 attempts/game)

Obviously this disregards his motor as well as plenty of other things, but it's my primary concern.

Fair points. But I'd say one difference is that Oladipo was heralded for his freakish athleticism, defense, and motor, and williams really wasn't. Oladipo has the raw physical talent to be a special player, and Williams really doesn't.

As for the shot...I only saw a few Indiana games last year, and didn't notice his shot in particular. But when I see him shoot now, his form looks pretty good to me. His shots just seem to go up really soft, with nice arc, and he gets them off without looking rushed. To me, his form alone normally would lead some people to say "I think we can teach this kid to be a good shooter someday."

 

[MGMT]

Fair points. But I'd say one difference is that Oladipo was heralded for his freakish athleticism, defense, and motor, and williams really wasn't. Oladipo has the raw physical talent to be a special player, and Williams really doesn't.

As for the shot...I only saw a few Indiana games last year, and didn't notice his shot in particular. But when I see him shoot now, his form looks pretty good to me. His shots just seem to go up really soft, with nice arc, and he gets them off without looking rushed. To me, his form alone normally would lead some people to say "I think we can teach this kid to be a good shooter someday."

Moreover, you don't really question what position Victor is going to play at the next level like you do with Derrick. Coming from someone who saw Victor's first two seasons in person, his shot form was bad, and he was consistently completely out of control driving to the lane, basically just an energy defender.

I'm not a big Crean fan but that coaching staff has transformed him.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

His athleticism, effort and ability to cut off the ball makes this dude really special. His efficiency is ridiculous. His athleticism is bananas too. He seriously reminds me of MJ the way that he looks running out there.

His strides are super bouncy, but he can kind of chop his feet a little bit and use some hesitation too. McLemore seems more like John Wall, straight line speed.

Oladipo's speed is decieving, his athleticism is ridiculous. I think I like Oladipo a lot more than Michael Kidd Gilchrist.

Oladipo seems like he'd be a shoe in to be a fantastic player in Scott's system. He's really incredible in the open court. That and suddenly he's got a jump-shot that's looking Jordanesque.

His ability to be a catch and shoot player is super intriguing. Anyone thing the Cavaliers have a legitimate shot to get either McLemore or Oladipo?

 

[CleveRocks]

Well a lot of our most reliable posters are saying he is special, so i wont throw water on that fire. If in fact he is a top three pick, we wont likely get that opportunity. depending on how long Kyrie is out, it looks to me like we finish with pick seven to ten. The Bobcats are in max tank mode (how else does anyone play Diop 20 minutes), and Orlando looks pretty comfortable losing. Then you have three to four tank hard teams in the west which I dont think we can stay with from a tank perspective.

I am cautious about taking a guy that comes of age on a good team. He is playing with a lotto quality seven footer, and with a team that has its fair share of weapons. If you compare him to say Deshaun Thomas, the numbers arent that different, but Thomas is playing the same opposition with a lot less help. I feel like some of the Kentucky players went higher in the draft than their current performance justifies, because they got a lot of exposure together.

But numbers lie. If an experienced scout sees him play and says, yeah this guy has "it", That evaluation wins every time. This may be that thread where Max grave digs after the draft

 

[Smooth]

Anyone think Oladipo is closer to 6'3 than 6'6? I'll be interested in seeing his measurements at the combine..

I still think his range is late lotto, not top-5..