Wedge Watch: Who Will Manage Tribe in 2010?

[7foot3]

Please enlighten us. What good traits does Lovullo have?






So you are saying what exactly? Do you actually have a point, or are you just trolling around shooting negative comments out of your ass?

And by the way, who do you want as Manager and why?

Negative comments? What was negative there? And out of my ass? I'm one of the few people here who realizes they can't make definitive judgements about these managerial candidates. The people who are saying they know which candidates have done a good job, or haven't or will or won't are the ones shooting comments out of their ass.

If you want me to expand on my opinion of the article, I can. The least talented team in the league wants to put blame on someone else after he's gone, and the player they wanted the manager to be stern with is a guy that is no longer on the team. Sounds like it's just a bunch of fingerpointing.

And on Lovullo? I didn't suggest he's the guy. I suggested we can't completely ignore him because of misperceptions we have about Wedge.

 

[Cavsfan89]

Bobby Valentine is interviewing for the second time tomorrow with Cleveland. Also says he is going to interview Luvullo and Mattingly, plus two other candidates?

Wouldn't mind maybe Brad Mills be interviewed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4583727&campaign=rss&source=MLBHeadlines

Also Manny Acta is interviewing with the Astros again.

 

[Ajak0410]

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[PIP]

Everybody says they would like Mattingly, but don't give a real reason as to why ?

Loved him as a player, but he's a quiet type...He appears to be a more conservative and soft spoken type of guy.. The Indians need a guy that has a little more fire and passion IMO...

Bobby V all the way...

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Everybody says they would like Mattingly, but don't give a real reason as to why ?

Loved him as a player, but he's a quiet type...He appears to be a more conservative and soft spoken type of guy.. The Indians need a guy that has a little more fire and passion IMO...

Bobby V all the way...

Being around two of the most successful franchises, around one of the most successful managers of all time, and having a great record as a player and coach all draw me to Mattingly.

The only thing I may be worried about is his ability to communicate with younger players, seeing as how many of the players he has coached have been older vets.

Bobby V would be #2 for me, IMO.

 

[Gunther]

Negative comments? What was negative there? And out of my ass? I'm one of the few people here who realizes they can't make definitive judgements about these managerial candidates. The people who are saying they know which candidates have done a good job, or haven't or will or won't are the ones shooting comments out of their ass.

If you want me to expand on my opinion of the article, I can. The least talented team in the league wants to put blame on someone else after he's gone, and the player they wanted the manager to be stern with is a guy that is no longer on the team. Sounds like it's just a bunch of fingerpointing.

And on Lovullo? I didn't suggest he's the guy. I suggested we can't completely ignore him because of misperceptions we have about Wedge.

Well, now that you have explained yourself better, it looks like I overreacted. Something rubbed me the wrong way.

I disagree with your opinion of Acta. Just the same way that the manager is always held accountable and many times is the fall guy, I also believe that the manager is never completely blameless, and where there's smoke there's fire. But still, that doesn't mean that he won't be a good manager in the right situation. He didn't have a lot to work with, that is for sure. I guess time will tell. He'll probably be a manager again at some point even if he doesn't catch on in Cleveland.

Anyway, my guy is out of the running, so I have to make another prediction. At this point, all I can say is that I'm not a fan of Valentine. The other three candidates seem pretty good, but I'm leaning toward Mattingly. Oh, and I agree that he should bring back the 'stache.

Of course, now that I have taken a stand against Valentine, I am positive that he will get the job.

 

[Gunther]

Being around two of the most successful franchises, around one of the most successful managers of all time, and having a great record as a player and coach all draw me to Mattingly.

The only thing I may be worried about is his ability to communicate with younger players, seeing as how many of the players he has coached have been older vets.

Bobby V would be #2 for me, IMO.

Agree with the Mattingly part of your post. Very well said.

 

[7foot3]

Well, now that you have explained yourself better, it looks like I overreacted. Something rubbed me the wrong way.

I disagree with your opinion of Acta. Just the same way that the manager is always held accountable and many times is the fall guy, I also believe that the manager is never completely blameless, and where there's smoke there's fire. But still, that doesn't mean that he won't be a good manager in the right situation. He didn't have a lot to work with, that is for sure. I guess time will tell. He'll probably be a manager again at some point even if he doesn't catch on in Cleveland.

Anyway, my guy is out of the running, so I have to make another prediction. At this point, all I can say is that I'm not a fan of Valentine. The other three candidates seem pretty good, but I'm leaning toward Mattingly. Oh, and I agree that he should bring back the 'stache.

Of course, now that I have taken a stand against Valentine, I am positive that he will get the job.

But I haven't made an opinion on Acta. I'm not even going to pretend I can judge how much of Washington's failures were his fault. Like I said, the only thing I really found useful from that article was

Several players interviewed for this story, though, acknowledged that a manager who lacks a zeal for punishment can still be a good manager. Acta, players said, probably will be -- once he gets the right talent.

I feel fans are going to overreact to whoever the manager ends up being. The Indians future success comes down to how well guys like Carmona, Carrasco, Huff and Rondon can pitch. As much as we'd like to pin their success or failure to a manager or pitching coach, there's a lot more that goes into it. Carl Willis wasn't an idiot because of Cliff Lee in 2007, and he wasn't a genius because of Cliff Lee since then.

 

[Chardon]

Quick Question. What EX indian would you want to be the coach?

 

[MoFlo]

The Indians need a guy that has a little more fire and passion IMO...

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What EX indian would you want to be the coach?

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[Gunther]

I feel fans are going to overreact to whoever the manager ends up being. The Indians future success comes down to how well guys like Carmona, Carrasco, Huff and Rondon can pitch. As much as we'd like to pin their success or failure to a manager or pitching coach, there's a lot more that goes into it. Carl Willis wasn't an idiot because of Cliff Lee in 2007, and he wasn't a genius because of Cliff Lee since then.

I feel you are underestimating the role of a manager or coach. Why have them at all, then? Do you really think that Carmona, Carrasco, Huff, etc. can have success without the proper guidance? Sometimes that means applying the proper discipline. Sometimes it means giving the proper space. How these two are balanced typically defines leadership ability.

Sure, a coach is scapegoated to a point when things go poorly, just as they are given too much credit to a point when things go well. In the end, though, they are in charge and project the philosophy of the organization as well as giving their players the best possible chance to perform to their potential. The only thing a coach or manager can't do is pick their players, though if they're lucky they have some input on that process with the GM.

We do agree on one thing, however. The fans will definately overreact to whoever the manager will be. No stopping that.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Quick Question. What EX indian would you want to be the coach?

None of them, they are all losers.

 

[PIP]

Quick Question. What EX indian would you want to be the coach?

Albie Lopez.

 

[BooyaCS]

Albie Lopez.

Nah it would be more fun to see Albert Belle go off on a bad call.

 

[AZ_]

Is Kane Davis able to come back as pitching coach?