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Wedge Watch: Who Will Manage Tribe in 2010?

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Should be, who will watch the tribe in 2010.

Bobby Valentine would be fine with me as well, but I think he would be too expensive. I really wouldn't mind seeing Hargrove "watching over" the tribe either. :)
 
Back to real life thinking though. I want a coach that actully can develop talent, bc we are not going to have a lot of polished guys on our team anytime soon.
 
I got some information that plan A,B,C are John Farrel and Plan D is Tony Lovello.

If Ferrel gets the job then look for Lovello to be a coach on his staff.

If it is not Ferrel then it is Lovello's job if he wants it.
 
Bobby Valentine would be fine with me as well, but I think he would be too expensive. I really wouldn't mind seeing Hargrove "watching over" the tribe either. :)

I meant, Who is going to actually watch them on tv next year.
 
I got some information that plan A,B,C are John Farrel and Plan D is Tony Lovello.

If Ferrel gets the job then look for Lovello to be a coach on his staff.

If it is not Ferrel then it is Lovello's job if he wants it.

God please get Farrel.

If we don't and Lovello gets the job...boy that is a dicey situation.
 
God please get Farrel.

If we don't and Lovello gets the job...boy that is a dicey situation.

It is a matter of 3 things with Farrel.

1.) Does he want to leave the situation he has in Boston?
2.) Will the Dolan's pay him 1M per to manage? (Wedge makes 1.3M this season).
3.) Will he be allowed to bring in HIS coaching staff?

If yes to all 3 then Farrel will be the manager.

If no then its more than likely Lovello. If he turns us down then it is either Fryman or Bell (not buddy but David). Fryman is coaching in Low A and Bell is coaching rookie league.

Keep in mind that they don't want to hire from outside the organization. They want someone with at least some knowledge of the organization which Farrel does. The last manager hired from outside the Indians organization was (I think) John McNamarra.

edit: To also say the Dolan's are cheap is misleading. Going into the year the Indians had a payroll of 80M which was right in the middle in MLB. Next season they might have a payroll anywhere from 55-70M. This is contingent on what the "break" even point is for the Dolan's so they don't lose the same amount of money they lost this season (20M+)
 
It is a matter of 3 things with Farrel.

1.) Does he want to leave the situation he has in Boston?
2.) Will the Dolan's pay him 1M per to manage? (Wedge makes 1.3M this season).
3.) Will he be allowed to bring in HIS coaching staff?

If yes to all 3 then Farrel will be the manager.


1. He leaves his situation in Boston in a heartbeat for the a manager's gig. He didn't take the downgrade in position- going from farm director to a coach- with the idea of staying a pitching coach for the rest of his career. He is still thought well thought of in the org from what I understand, too. This is a place and an org that I think he wants to be a part of.

2. Of course Dolan would pay him. If Larry was willing to go over budget to sign Kerry Wood and authorize the DeRosa trade, when the Tribe had a pretty consistent ranking in the low-20s in attendance regardless of the team's record, then I think he will be willing to extend the relatively nominal dime it will take to lock in the next manager.

3. Shapiro believes in teamwork, so the assembly of the coaching staff will probably be a cooperative endeavour. Most of the guys on this staff are guys that Farrell worked with as farm director- Willis, Skinner, Datz are all guys he had as coaches in the minors. If the Tribe does decide to go with Farrell, you may not see the overturning of the staff you wanted to see.

4. Which then begs the question: why does there need to be a big turnover? And why can't the guys come from within? The Indians minor league teams have done a wonderful job in the past decade. I would have no qualms at all if a guy like Greg Hibbard or Scott Radinsky got a shot at being pitching coach, or Lovullo graduating up to the big club. This just strikes me as a Brownesque 'sink the ship' mentality to problem solving.

5. I am also interested to see how he does as a pitching coach without Josh Beckett, Jon Lester, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Tim Wakefield, Jon Papelbon, etc. He has done a nice job in Boston, but then again he has been doing so with a heavily-funded staff. I am curious to see if he can do any better with a Carmona-Masterson-Sowers-Laffey-Huff rotation. I have a feeling the results will be eerily similar.
 
Farrell may be out of the picture:

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2009/09/eric_wedges_fate_uncertain_as.html

Eric Wedge's fate uncertain as Indians' season winds down
By Paul Hoynes
September 29, 2009, 9:27PM

Wedge's last game as Indians manager could be Sunday in Boston. Boston Red Sox ptiching coach John Farrell has been mentioned as a possible replacement, but Farrell's current contract may keep him in Boston through the 2010 season. If the Indians do fire manager Eric Wedge after the season finale Sunday, it sounds like John Farrell is out as a candidate to replace him.

Farrell, Boston's pitching coach, reportedly has a clause in his contract that prevents him from taking an outside manager's job until after the 2010 season. FoxSports.com reported the story late last week.

He would not confirm the existence of the reported clause in his contract to ESPN.com, but Farrell said he would like to manage.

"I'm ambitious," said Farrell. "Yeah, I do have the goal of maybe one day fulfilling that role, but I can't tell you where and when that will be."

With several teams expected to be looking for managers this winter, it is safe to assume this is Boston's way of saying "hands off" the merchandise.

Farrell pitched for the Indians from 1987 through 1990 and again in 1995. He was their farm director under GM Mark Shapiro from 2001 through 2006 before becoming Boston's pitching coach in 2007.

Shapiro and Chris Antonetti, assistant general manager, have been meeting with owner Larry Dolan and President Paul Dolan over the past few weeks to see just how much change is needed in the organization to overcome two disappointing seasons. In 2007, the Indians were one victory away from reaching the World Series, but lost the American League Championship Series to the Red Sox after holding a 3-1 lead in the series.

The focus of these meetings has been on Wedge and the coaching staff. It's unlikely big changes will be made in the team's Latin American operations or the scouting and player development departments.

The June draft remains a concern, but the Indians think they've made strides there the past two years. They also are considering making changes in how the draft is structured.

Wedge, speaking after Tuesday's game against the Chicago White Sox was postponed -- it will be replayed today as part of a doubleheader -- said he has not been told his fate.

"Nothing has changed," he said.

Two of Wedge's coaches said the same thing after Tuesday's postponement. The answers should come soon after the season ends, but they already seem clear.

Fausto Carmona and Justin Masterson will make their last starts of the season in Wednesday's doubleheader. So the countdown to the end stands at six games -- today's doubleheader, representing the final two home games at Progressive Field, and four at Fenway Park in Boston.

If these are the last six games of Wedge's managerial career with the Indians, it will end with some theatrical cruelty. Wedge made his big-league debut with the Red Sox on Oct. 5, 1991, with a pinch-hit single at Fenway. Now his last game as Tribe manager could be Sunday at Fenway, with probable starter Tomo Ohka on the mound.

In today's doubleheader, Carmona will face Carlos Torres in the first game at 4:05 p.m. Masterson will face Mark Buehrle in the second game.
 
The Indians let Farrell out of his contract, without compensation, to go be the Sox' pitching coach. If there is one team, and one situation, where the Sox would have to consider letting Farrell out his contract this would be it.

If the Indians really want Farrell, I don't see Boston standing in his way. It would set a precedent for every other coach whom the Sox try to hire- that the team will not let them take a promotion to a manager's role somewhere else. The same applies in the NFL, for example, where teams rarely stand in the way of an assistant who is under contract from accepting a HC position. You don't do it b/c it just causes bad blood. I just don't see this becoming an actual issue if Farrell really wants to come here and the Tribe FO wants him.
 
The Indians might be wise to look at bench coaches on good well run teams. Bench coaches hired as managers have had some success in recent years. They're also involved with every decision the manager makes in the dugout.
Two names that come to mind are Brad Mills from the Red Sox and Ron Roenicke from the Angels. Both also have minor league managerial experience.

Sometimes the popular well publicized names aren't the right choice.
 

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