I expect that neither her athleticism nor religion will affect her ability to coach. I'd be interested to hear about that, though.
For sure her athleticism wont matter, but the last time we had a Jewish coach it didn't end well.
Not at all saying you're lying, if it happened it happened, but it's a little hard to believe. There's the famous story of the US women's soccer team losing to a bunch of 14 year old guys etc. and basketball is a remarkably athletic sport. In my softball circle of over 100, there are good girls who simply do not make mistakes and know what they are doing and can place the ball where they want but field the best guys against the best girls and it'd be a bloodbath
At FSU the male team managers and walk-ons often scrimmaged against the women’s team.
The games were generally pretty close.
The women wanted every crack they could against the men, but keep in mind, with different size and weighted basketballs, neither coach was enthusiastic to let their players scrimmage.
I do recall a female player or two getting into open runs with men’s basketball team, and more than holding their own. I also recall watching Jennifer Rizzotti basically dominate a male pick-up game at UCONN with male camp counselors from all over country (mostly D-I players).....that was fun to watch....
In NBA circles, I'd say yes. LeBron was pissed Griffin got let go, and felt Koby was hand-picked for "preferential" reasons. Don't get me wrong, Griffin loves Koby, as do many current and former Cavs players. Griffin speaks openly about how magical Koby is, and rattles off stories about his time with him in CLE.....and even stories about attending Koby's wedding. But there was a stigma before Gottlieb's hire, and her hiring only brings more attention to it.
I'm not surprised you, or the vast majority, haven't heard the whispers......I think I've seen some veiled comments about Gilbert in the past (on this board), and definitely recall Altman having to answer some questions about his faith and in turn relationship with Gilbert. So, it's lingered a bit......
I can't stress enough, how little I care about a person's religious background. Can they do the job or not? That's it for me. But playing devil's advocate, there's a shitload of qualified women to become assistant coaches in the NBA. At a certain point, things stop being coincidental.......the Cavs basketball operations side is far from diverse.....and I want to be delicate here. But you can go through the list, and the trend is pretty striking.......
In terms of it being a problem? I'd say yes, within some NBA circles. Gilbert is seen as a guy who meddles too much and puts personal preferences above what others would consider "better opinions or options". He plays favorites over most qualified....in their opinion.
And to hammer it again, because the last thing I want, is to come off as some type of anti-Semite......because I'm not. I loved the Blatt hiring and thought he got a raw deal. I was actually hoping he'd get another opportunity with us when Lue was fired. I hope Koby is extremely successful although it remains to be seen. On the analytics side, and deeper into the basketball ops, I think it comes across as a bit too "tin foily", but the trend is quite similar in terms of diversity.
And everything I type is a bit unfair to Gottlieb, whose resume truly speaks for itself. I think it's great another woman has an opportunity to be an assistant in the NBA. My disappointment is that in smaller circles, this achievement is being looked at as "favoritism". In general, the masses are applauding the decision, but within the NBA, it's seen as "Gilbert being Gilbert". And that is what disappoints me.....
JR won't be around to throw soup on her.A little worried that athletes won't respect female coaches sufficiently
Interesting information..like to know who in the NBA you speak to but I know you aren't going to let us in on that.In NBA circles, I'd say yes. LeBron was pissed Griffin got let go, and felt Koby was hand-picked for "preferential" reasons. Don't get me wrong, Griffin loves Koby, as do many current and former Cavs players. Griffin speaks openly about how magical Koby is, and rattles off stories about his time with him in CLE.....and even stories about attending Koby's wedding. But there was a stigma before Gottlieb's hire, and her hiring only brings more attention to it.
I'm not surprised you, or the vast majority, haven't heard the whispers......I think I've seen some veiled comments about Gilbert in the past (on this board), and definitely recall Altman having to answer some questions about his faith and in turn relationship with Gilbert. So, it's lingered a bit......
I can't stress enough, how little I care about a person's religious background. Can they do the job or not? That's it for me. But playing devil's advocate, there's a shitload of qualified women to become assistant coaches in the NBA. At a certain point, things stop being coincidental.......the Cavs basketball operations side is far from diverse.....and I want to be delicate here. But you can go through the list, and the trend is pretty striking.......
In terms of it being a problem? I'd say yes, within some NBA circles. Gilbert is seen as a guy who meddles too much and puts personal preferences above what others would consider "better opinions or options". He plays favorites over most qualified....in their opinion.
And to hammer it again, because the last thing I want, is to come off as some type of anti-Semite......because I'm not. I loved the Blatt hiring and thought he got a raw deal. I was actually hoping he'd get another opportunity with us when Lue was fired. I hope Koby is extremely successful although it remains to be seen. On the analytics side, and deeper into the basketball ops, I think it comes across as a bit too "tin foily", but the trend is quite similar in terms of diversity.
And everything I type is a bit unfair to Gottlieb, whose resume truly speaks for itself. I think it's great another woman has an opportunity to be an assistant in the NBA. My disappointment is that in smaller circles, this achievement is being looked at as "favoritism". In general, the masses are applauding the decision, but within the NBA, it's seen as "Gilbert being Gilbert". And that is what disappoints me.....
A little worried that athletes won't respect female coaches sufficiently
I'm not worried about the respect, I'm worried about it literally being a different game. NBA level male athletes just have an entirely different set of physical skills and capacities than female college-level players, and the game itself reflects those differences. There are all kinds of things that work well in the women's game that won't work in the NBA game because it would be completely impossible to execute them against NBA-level male athletes. Then the player development challenge is very different too because you are developing different capacities.
That's not what happened, so it seems fairly irrelevant. And I'm not sure we have any evidence that Altman would have forced a coaching hire on Beilein had he not been on board. My guess is that Altman tabbed Gottlieb as a female coach he liked and wanted to hire if his coach was on board and that's pretty much what happened. It seems like we're legitimately trying to build a culture here this time around and I don't think forcing an assistant on our head coach would gel with that.
But there's nothing wrong with the GM identifying potential assistant coaches he likes and asking the new coach to interview them to see if it works. That's, like, part of the GM's job.
With his health issue, I think he is gonna lay low on being involved with the Cavs... Wonder who would be taking the role of owner or whether it is really going to be the Koby showInteresting information..like to know who in the NBA you speak to but I know you aren't going to let us in on that.
Old saying..as far as whats being said in circles...you don't worry about things you can't control.
Gilbert doesn't seem worried about what others think his decisions including us fans..
My concern is how itchy is his trigger finger going forward?
No inside info here, but I would imagine Altman has the reigns of basketball ops and Len Komoroski will oversee all the rest of day-to-day operations with the franchise.With his health issue, I think he is gonna lay low on being involved with the Cavs... Wonder who would be taking the role of owner or whether it is really going to be the Koby show
With his health issue, I think he is gonna lay low on being involved with the Cavs... Wonder who would be taking the role of owner or whether it is really going to be the Koby show