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I guess this can go here, since I don't think we have a Gilbert thread.

EDIT: I should also note that Gilbert was ranked 17th in ESPN's ownership rankings (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12565861/2015-front-office-rankings-top-owners). As with their other rankings this week, they don't provide any reasoning for the rankings (Which isn't to necessarily say that he deserves to be at the top, but the guy does spend freely even if he is too hands on (Although Cuban is third on that list).)

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12564526/dan-gilbert-growing-influence-cleveland-cavaliers

CLEVELAND -- Ten years ago this month, Dan Gilbert bought the Cleveland Cavaliers for about $375 million. But the star of the news conference announcing the sale wasn't Gilbert; it was singer and new part-owner Usher, whose new hit "Yeah" blasted from speakers as the event started.

Usher's role was to bring a celebrity face to the franchise, as was fashionable at the time, and he certainly played the part well.

A decade later when Gilbert is in the room, it is Usher who is the lesser name, at least in Cleveland. The developments surrounding LeBron James' departure to the Miami Heat in 2010 turned him into a somewhat controversial figure. In Cleveland, however, Gilbert won over many supporters for life; for years he kept a binder filled with letters that poured in from them. A successful campaign to build casinos in Ohio also created the typical political trench warfare in some corners.

Now, the 53-year-old owner enjoys a lofty approval rating among Cavs fans and Ohioans. Things are going so well these days that when (since-denied) rumors surfaced that Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam was interested in selling the team so he could buy his home-state Tennessee Titans, callers on local talk shows asked for Gilbert to buy the Browns.

There's also this: Gilbert got LeBron James back. Whatever the qualification or circumstance involved, at the end of the day, James sat down with Gilbert last July and then announced he was coming home.

When Gilbert bought the Cavs in 2005, his net worth was estimated at $800 million. In its annual list released this month, Forbes now estimates Gilbert's net worth at north of $4.7 billion, as his empire has expanded from mortgages and venture capital to casinos, real estate, consumer products, tech, minor league sports franchises and a basketball team currently estimated to be worth more than $900 million.

In short, it's been some decade for Gilbert.

As his businesses and popularity have grown, so has his involvement in the Cavs' day-to-day operations, according to numerous sources inside and outside the organization. Even as he has withdrawn a little publicly, Gilbert has become one of the most hands-on owners in the league.

"If you had a 1-to-10 scale of an owner's involvement [Dallas Mavericks owner] Mark Cuban would be a 10," said one prominent league agent. "Dan would be a 9."

Gilbert, who lives in suburban Detroit but regularly jets over Lake Erie to attend home games, is known to monitor everything from the design of his team's jerseys to what is on the scoreboard during timeouts, and even how certain graphics are presented on the team's TV broadcasts.

As he's gotten more comfortable, informed and experienced as the seasons under his watch have passed, it has also become usual for Gilbert to be on the front line for the Cavs' personnel moves -- trade talks, contract negotiations and the draft process -- alongside his front office.

He was alone when he went to meet with James in Miami last year to make the most important recruiting pitch of his tenure.

When general manager David Griffin held a pivotal meeting with Kevin Love and his agent last summer before making a trade for him, Gilbert was the other man in the room.

It is not unusual for Gilbert to speak directly to an agent or to up the ante in trade talks by calling an opposing owner, sources said.

But Gilbert disagrees with the idea that he's heavily involved in basketball decisions.

"I don't think that's accurate," Gilbert said. "The way I look at it is it's the owner's job to say yes before you say no. I believe an owner is there to set the philosophy and to establish the culture but you let your guy pull the triggers."

Here's a philosophy and culture Gilbert has inspired: spending on talent. Between 2007 and 2010, Gilbert paid more than $43 million in luxury taxes. In 2011, he cleared taking on the $27 million left on Baron Davis' contract to get the draft pick that became Kyrie Irving. During rounds of negotiations with the Los Angeles Clippers, Gilbert was the rigid one insisting that the pick had to be totally unprotected.

A year ago this week, the team signed Scotty Hopson, who went undrafted in 2011 and was at that point playing in Turkey, for $1.35 million for just seven games. He played seven minutes total. Some wondered what the team was doing until a late-night transaction after the NBA draft, when the Cavs used the nonguaranteed second year of Hopson's deal to trade for Brendan Haywood, who has an unusual but potentially valuable $10 million nonguaranteed contract for the 2015-16 season that the Cavs are plotting to use this summer.

This season the Cavs did something that's never been seen in the NBA. The team went from $23 million under the salary cap in July to $18 million over the cap and into the luxury tax in the same season. This had never been seen before and, based on the structure of the collective bargaining agreement, would seem to be nearly impossible. But Griffin's front office used about every exception and manipulation imaginable, and all of it was green-lit by Gilbert.

It's how the Cavs were able to add talent like Timofey Mozgov, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith in the midst of the season despite trading only one player, Dion Waiters, with a guaranteed contract. Griffin and his staff assembled those deals over the course of months of talks and strategizing. But things weren't finalized until Gilbert got involved on an ownership level to finish the deal, sources said.

"When I walk in, Griff and his guys have hundreds of iterations on white boards. They find the opportunities," Gilbert said. "We push creativity and innovation. It's a small industry, and you have to find things on the fringes and edges."

As they struggled to gain footing after losing James in 2010, the Cavs made some roster mistakes. The drafting of Anthony Bennett No. 1 overall and the signing of Andrew Bynum last year being prime examples. As is common in the NBA, there's always hindsight finger-pointing in organizations following failed moves. The Cavs are no different in this regard. But what is clear is that Gilbert, whether he wants it known publicly or not, is frequently in the thick of it all.

As he's gotten more involved over the years, though, he's cut back his visibility on social media and limited his interactions with the media. He was the driving force in the hiring of David Blatt as head coach last year but did not attend his news conference or the one held when the team announced the acquisition of Love. There was no news conference held when James signed. He did not attend the news conference when Griffin was named GM. Earlier in his tenure, Gilbert was always front and center in these types of moments.

"Every owner is more involved than they show publicly," said one league official who knows Gilbert well. "But Dan has worked hard to get the organization to where he wants it."

Something is working. After an arduous rebuilding process over the past four years, the return of James and the deployment of stockpiled assets has built what is probably the most potent team in Gilbert's time as owner. That includes the two 60-win teams from James' first tour, which had brilliant moments but did not have the depth of talent this current roster boasts.

"I think when you get a bunch of reasonably intelligent people in a room and you talk about it, you usually build a consensus," Gilbert said.

"We've learned a few things over the last 10 years."

Yeah, there was nothing in that article that was particularly revealing considering that it's been well established by now that @CavsDan and his partners are quite the meddlers. Also, Gilbert is apparently just bullshitting Windhorst when he claims earlier in the article that he "let his guy pull the triggers" on deals, yet the Mozgov and Smith/Shumpert deals were finished by Gilbert himself according to the story's sources.
 
Yeah, there was nothing in that article that was particularly revealing considering that it's been well established by now that @CavsDan and his partners are quite the meddlers. Also, Gilbert is apparently just bullshitting Windhorst when he claims earlier in the article that he "let his guy pull the triggers" on deals, yet the Mozgov and Smith/Shumpert deals were finished by Gilbert himself according to the story's sources.

The question I have about that though is does that mean that they just had to get his final approval to pull the trigger on taking on the extra money or was he actually wheeling and dealing?
 
I don't understand why Gilbert is so adamant about not admitting to being as hands on as he is. Who really cares? It's your team, you pay for everything, you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want, but when he insists he doesn't really get that involved, it makes him look foolish.
 
Here's a philosophy and culture Gilbert has inspired: spending on talent. Between 2007 and 2010, Gilbert paid more than $43 million in luxury taxes. In 2011, he cleared taking on the $27 million left on Baron Davis' contract to get the draft pick that became Kyrie Irving. During rounds of negotiations with the Los Angeles Clippers, Gilbert was the rigid one insisting that the pick had to be totally unprotected.


Thank you, Dan Gilbert.
 
best part of the article:
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this can't be real :chuckle:
 
More spray tan fun. They must be using a camera filter on those in game shots that makes the Tan stand out in ways that it doesn't to the naked eye.
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Anyone got a transcript from Windy today? I'm not it a spot where I can listen.
 
Yeah, there was nothing in that article that was particularly revealing considering that it's been well established by now that @CavsDan and his partners are quite the meddlers. Also, Gilbert is apparently just bullshitting Windhorst when he claims earlier in the article that he "let his guy pull the triggers" on deals, yet the Mozgov and Smith/Shumpert deals were finished by Gilbert himself according to the story's sources.
Actually on Windy's show this morning he gave all credit to Griff for the Shump and Mozgov trades.
 
Actually on Windy's show this morning he gave all credit to Griff for the Shump and Mozgov trades.

Most positive I have heard him all season. Does anyone know how close Windy is to Rich Paul?

Seems like Windy sure came off with some conviction, like he talked to someone who talked to James directly; but James seems to think we can win it all this season.

At the beginning, James would say no way. He's absolutely loved his new teammates, he's elated to play with these guys; he's excited to call this his team.

To start the season; different story altogether. The Miami vacation was a reflection period where he said what the fuck did I get myself into.

Most positive I have ever heard Windy. It was almost odd how confident he sounded, like he talked to someone that Bron confided these feelings to.

Obviously Bron isn't going to come out and admit that publicly, pressuring the situation......
 
Hey Windy --- 3.27.15 (first half of the show)
http://stationcaster.com/stations/w...and_Windhorst_and_Jason_Gibbs_-1427461978.mp3

01. We're going to have a moratorium on the Kevin Love & LeBron James relationship stuff today.

02. (NCAA tournament talk.)

03. (NBA scouts and agents circling top NCAA talent right now.)

04. The John Calipari and LeBron relationship has experienced a bit of a professional falling out. They still like each other, but relationship was based on marketing help for each other when LeBron was with the CAA agency. Nike, CAA, and LeBron all teamed up together. LeBron wanted to recruit guys out of college (many of them from Kentucky) and then they would sign with Nike and CAA.

05. LeBron was valuable in this recruiting pipeline for Nike and CAA because LeBron has camps every year where he gets to meet top young propsects. He is allowed to talk to the high school guys whereas Nike and CAA cannot.

06. Wes Wesley (CAA), Leon Rose (formerly CAA), Calipari were all involved in this plan to recruit guys to Nike and CAA.

07. This is why LeBron used to go to Kentucky games.

08. This plan was tried with Derrick Rose and John Wall. It failed both times.

09. Then Rich Paul left CAA; so no more CAA connection for LeBron.

10. LeBron still has a good connection with Calipari, but the relationship that was there like 3 years ago no longer exists.

11. I haven't seen Wes Wesley around LeBron in years. He used to go to like 10-15 of LeBron's games a year.

12. Dan Gilbert does like Calipari. But LeBron/Calipari not as tight as they once were.

13. LeBron now more close with Ohio State than Kentucky.

14. LeBron has been chasing D'Angelo Russell (for his agency to represent, I think).

15. LeBron will likely go to the Notre Dame vs Kentucky game tonight in Cleveland.

16. Host: When did LeBron start believing that the Cavs could turn things around and make a push?

17. On West Coast trip to start the year, LeBron was very sobered by the job in front of him.

18. If you asked LeBron what the Cavs ceiling was then, he may have said the Conference Finals if everything worked out correctly.

19. Early in the season LeBron saw total ballhogging by Kyrie and Dion Waiters. Limited defense around the rim. The team didn't move the ball well. They didn't run any plays. Harris was playing a lot of minutes. Delly was playing heavy minutes.

20. LeBron was not very hot on the team's chances early in the season.

21. LeBron was digging in for the toughest challenge of his career. He knew how hard it was going to be to turn things around.

22. LeBron got frustrated with the team and where things were at.

23. When LeBron took the 2 week break, there was a mental health aspect to that where LeBron just needed to get away (because he was so frustrated).

24. I think LeBron reached his frustration limit when he sat out the Atlanta game before the 2 week break.

25. LeBron told people early in the season, flat out, "we don't have a coach."

26. So, LeBron felt that the season was a huge uphill climb.

27. Then the Cavs made the trades. And LeBron felt physically better. And things started to fall into place.

28. Then LeBron started to play with the new guys. He liked playing with Mozgov. He liked throwing Mozgov alley oops and he liked how Mozgov defended the rim and helped out the perimeter defenders.

29. He loved JR Smith. JR was exactly the kind of player LeBron wanted Dion Waiters to be. Spot up shooter who you didn't have to hold his hand.

30. He loved how Shumpert defended.

31. Blatt made some changes that settled the whole team down. Shortening the rotation. Clarifying the roles.

32. Then, LeBron started to look around the team and he felt "you know what, there's something (special) going on here."

33. In the last 15-20 days, LeBron has come to the point where he feels the Cavs can win the championship. This year.

34. You can see in LeBron's demeanor that he feels the Cavs can win the title this year.

35. Because LeBron can see a title this year, he is becoming much more mentally sharp and focused. And his leadership is coming more into focus.

36. LeBron is now enjoying molding and shaping the team, whereas earlier in the year he was weighed down by it.

37. LeBron looks around the league and feels there is no team the Cavs can't beat.

38. Just a few months ago, I don't think LeBron felt that a title would be possible this year. Now he thinks it is possible.

39. What you will see now, particularly when the playoffs start, is the difference between LeBron in 2010 and LeBron in 2015. He will show true leadership.

40. First thing LeBron will do is to call a team meeting and tell the guys how to approach the playoffs. No talking about each other in the media. He will tell people he's shutting his phone off. No tweets, no pics, no watching TV. We will all focus completely.

41. This is what LeBron learned in Miami.

42. LeBron will probably tell the coaches something similar. He'll probably have a meeting with them too and go over what the team needs from them for the playoffs.

43. LeBron learned how to approach the playoffs in Miami.

44. Because LeBron failed in the playoffs in 2010 and 2011, that spurred his growth to master everything about the playoffs since.

45. LeBron is now a completely different person than he was in 2010 and 2011, and he will now work to impart that knowledge to the team as the playoffs approach.

46. LeBron believes now. He probably thought this was going to be a 2-3 year process at the start. But now he believes the team can win the title this year.

47. LeBron is having a blast playing with this team. He loves some of his new teammates. He loves the style of play they're playing right now.


48. Could tell in Memphis how good the team chemistry was on the floor.

49. Team has to get lucky (to compete for a title this year). Avoid injuries, other bad luck.
 
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New BS report with Windy - http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=12594321 - I may recap in next hour but need to find time...

Let me start - lot of negative Blatt and a TON of jerking each other off - like a TON. I actually can't even do it justice. Windy basically going "yeah, I got heat for this shit but I know what I am talking about," and Simmons going, "you know your shit and us national writers don't get enough credit."

They did give Blatt SOME credit for being in a shit situation.

Hopefully I can recap. But if someone beats me to it, go for it.

KEVIN LOVE:

FWIW: In the end they have a bit of a disagreement on Kevin Love. Simmons says it is easy for him to leave win, or lose. Compares it to Revis (go figure, BOSTON!) leaving the Patriots.

Windy finds that premise silly.

Windy says he can't handicap the situation. Doesn't really know. Seems like a fair assessment.

Simmons: "Love feels like I'm the third option on this team... I'm not really that happy. I could go to the Lakers, to Boston to the Knicks or wherever and I could be the guy."

Windy: "Or he could hit three enormous baskets in the playoff run and say this is where I wanna be. ... Everything is in play."

Simmons agreed - that was Windy's final main point. Also, in the end, Windy sort of jokes with Simmons about successfully lobbying for Jeff Green to be traded, and that he can't wait to listen to him lobby for Kevin Love to Boston. Simmons says he thinks it will be LA.

Windy says if Love makes to the Finals (he thinks they will) and that he experiences and likes it, he doesn't see how any "3-year-plan" from the LA/NY/BOS teams can trump that.
 
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This was interesting as hell...

Simmons says that the last Hawks/Cavs game is an indicator as why you shouldn't throw the Cavs right into the Finals. Team ball can really prove the winner in the end. Windhorst fired back with a theory that he clearly has had for a while: the Hawks had extra days to prepare, Cavs had played 6 games in 9 days, went down 17 early, crawled back, got the lead and then just sort of ran out of gas in the 4th. Said that was a moral victory for LeBron. Showed him, yeah the Hawks are good, but they are a team the Cavs can clearly handle.
 

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