Xbox One or Playstation 4? What are you getting?

[gourimoko]

Yeah I thought it was the complete opposite. You couldn't bring your games over to a friend's house to play on his/her XB1. Stifling sharing rather than encouraging it. That was what it sounded like to me at least.

Yeah, the games were registered to a console, the discs effectively meant nothing. On top of that, to make this work, Microsoft demanded that people leave their Xbox's online; such that one could not play without a consistent internet connection, or else it would shut down and turn into a brick..

I can't see in anyway how this is like what Sony is talking about -- and if Sony does propose something like this, I'd want them out of the console business.

 

[Witz]

Yeah I thought it was the complete opposite. You couldn't bring your games over to a friend's house to play on his/her XB1. Stifling sharing rather than encouraging it. That was what it sounded like to me at least.

Xboxs sharing proposal was that you could share a game with 10 people similar to this PShare thing works but they caught a bunch of flack and sony even put out this video :chuckles:

[video=youtube;kWSIFh8ICaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA[/video]

 

[kosis]

Xboxs sharing proposal was that you could share a game with 10 people similar to this PShare thing works but they caught a bunch of flack and sony even put out this video :chuckles:

[video=youtube;kWSIFh8ICaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA[/video]

Here are the differences in regards to what I thought. Tell me where I'm wrong.

1. Share Play is letting you jump in on a friends game and even control his game. You get stuck in Uncharted and a buddy can connect into your machine (as if he was sitting on your couch) and play for you. Is that what XB1 was trying to do?

2. PS4 still allows you to bring a disc-based game to a friend's house and play there. XB1's proposal would not allow you to that. Hence the Sony video mocking that concept. Correct?

I feel like there's a big difference between that original Microsoft idea and what PS Share Play is proposing to be.

EDIT: Also, why would Microsoft get flack for allowing people to share their game to ten people? It was obviously in concert with something else that got people upset aka not being able to share the disc.

 

[Witz]

Here are the differences in regards to what I thought. Tell me where I'm wrong.

1. PS Share is letting you jump in on a friends game and even control his game. You get stuck in Uncharted and a buddy can connect into your machine (as if he was sitting on your couch) and play for you. Is that what XB1 was trying to do?

2. PS4 still allows you to bring a disc-based game to a friend's house and play there. XB1's proposal would not allow you to that. Hence the Sony video mocking that concept. Correct?

I feel like there's a big difference and what PS Share is proposing is very different.

1)Lol well im an idiot because i totally skipped the part where that was possible neat feature can't see that being used much thought with the tons of walkthroughs out in the net nowadays for those people like myself that tend to get stuck on games .
2) Don't see a need to bring the disc if you have already shared the game with the person who's place your going towards because they will have it digitally on their xbox not really a big deal imo unless your sharing your game with more than 10 people.

Edit: Is sharing a game via disc vs. Digitally really that big a deal tho to get people upset? because for myself at least say I shared COD with someone via disc I can't play online with them because they have my disc vs. if it was shared digitally as proposed you and your buddy could be playing the game at the same time Imo sounded like a good deal to me but the rest of the DRM stuff is a complete different story.

 

[kosis]

1)Lol well im an idiot because i totally skipped the part where that was possible neat feature can't see that being used much thought with the tons of walkthroughs out in the net nowadays for those people like myself that tend to get stuck on games .
2) Don't see a need to bring the disc if you have already shared the game with the person who's place your going towards because they will have it digitally on their xbox not really a big deal imo unless your sharing your game with more than 10 people.

Ah, no big deal.

Well I think it's more than that, but it's a cool feature. You'll also be able to play a game competiitively against a friend as if they were there. The catch I think is that it has to be a game where the screen is the same for both i.e. most sports games, scroller adventures and the like. You wouldn't be able to play COD for example, because both players would have different perspectives.

The advantage of being able to share disc-based games of course is you're not inundating a friend's console with your data and filling up his memory. This won't be an issue if we move everything to the cloud without taking up space, but as of today we still have to pay attention to console memory storage.

 

[Witz]

Ah, no big deal.

Well I think it's more than that, but it's a cool feature. You'll also be able to play a game competiitively against a friend as if they were there. The catch I think is that it has to be a game where the screen is the same for both i.e. most sports games, scroller adventures and the like. You wouldn't be able to play COD for example, because both players would have different perspectives.

The advantage of being able to share disc-based games of course is you're not inundating a friend's console with your data and filling up his memory. This won't be an issue if we move everything to the cloud without taking up space, but as of today we still have to pay attention to console memory storage.

Its Definitely a cool premise on how to enjoy certain multiplayer games in the future & as far as taking up memory space ill give you that these next gen games take up tons of GB's on the memory .Downloading and installing them is another hassle with how long they take main reason i don't buy my games digitally.

 

[gourimoko]

Witz, yes it was a big deal.. it was a big enough deal to put people off of Microsoft and give the PS4 a huge lead in preorders and a good portion of that is still in play. I won't buy an Xbox because of their stated goals, and a huge fan of 360/Xbox.

But regarding digital vs disc, personally, I'd rather own the disc... Especially if that allows me to take my game to a friends house and play it without downloading. Lastly, you're missing the big one, the online activation required to make such a feature work. Having my Xbox One login every 24 hours or else it shuts off is not something I'm willing to tolerate.

 

[Witz]

Witz, yes it was a big deal.. it was a big enough deal to put people off of Microsoft and give the PS4 a huge lead in preorders and a good portion of that is still in play. I won't buy an Xbox because of their stated goals, and a huge fan of 360/Xbox.

But regarding digital vs disc, personally, I'd rather own the disc... Especially if that allows me to take my game to a friends house and play it without downloading. Lastly, you're missing the big one, the online activation required to make such a feature work. Having my Xbox One login every 24 hours or else it shuts off is not something I'm willing to tolerate.

I co-sign that the whole DRM was screwed up ,but the only thing I thought that was cool about it was the game sharing proposal. Sure you have to install the game but that's a one time thing hell even with regular disc now you are required to install games now so you can't just pop in the game and play now a days. I'm only defending Microsoft's proposed game sharing the whole log in online once a day thing was crap not all places have access to the internet being it because the country your in has shit connection or just having your internet go out and not being able to play because of that is bull. All im saying is I was all in on their game sharing policy not the rest of the crap they were throwing along in with it.

 

[dano_24_26]

Heard tomb raider is only coming out on xbox1 thus Christmas.

 

[Mdog1]

The wording of the Tomb Raider game suggests it may just be timed exclusive. However without anything official on the matter we should treat it as full exclusive.

Sony announced 10m sold consoles, which is insane. There is now virtually no way they do not hit 15m this year.

Even worse case scenario, based on their current average of about 1.1m per month, they would hit 14.4. Considering ps3 sold almost 7m over the holidays every year, ps4 could very well be close to 17 by new years.

10m to 5m or less for xb1. Most guesstimates put the xb1 at 4.5-4.8m through june.

Another data point would suggest that wii has finally over taken ps4 as fastest to 10.

So the question is how can ms the ship around? The next genuine system seller for the console is Halo 5, still over a year away. By then Sony could very well be at 30m or more sold, and xb1 could be looking at less than 15m. The most realistic path forward from here is that the xb1 will sell 8m or less by the end of the year (I am being pretty generous I think), and it is very likely that as soon as ms goes below 399, sony will undercut them and go to 299 (expecting this at e3 regardless).

If that does in fact happen, and Sony once again has price parity, or even worse a price advantage, ms is pretty much sunk.

To put things into perspective, xb1 sold 3m in 2013, ps4 sold 4m (4.2 actually) Since then ps4 has sold 6m (5.8), and xb1 has sold at best 2m. Basically a 3:1 advantage.

Tomb Raider could have been a legitimate tide changer, if it was a 2014 game. If it was a 2014 game then it would have gained them a lot of momentum, Halo remake, Destiny, COD, and Tomb Raider is a solid line up, but being 2015, it is just a drop in the bucket. The ps4 could very well be 20m ahead by that point in time, and then the monster ms helped create (online gaming) will carry the ps4's momentum forward, regardless of what games ms has. Why buy an xb to have less friends to play with, and get the worst version of games.


Now onto this whole ps4 drm thing... I don't think people understand what ms originally wanted to do. Even if I bought a game, I couldn't sell it, trade it, or loan it. Sony is allowing you a different path to loaning games to people, not adding further restrictions to it.

And yes ms' s original vision had NO video game trade ins, none what so ever. They backed off of that hoping it would calm the fire, it didn't work. Then they back peddled further offering this family sharing bs, that nobody could explain what it actually was. People heard the #10 and went omg that's awesome, but anybody that has done any minor research would know that was never ever ever going to happen.

Ever heard of game sharing on the ps3? Where 5 people could throw 12.50 at a game and could all download the game. I have, almost everyone I play with has too. The publishers (EA, Activision, Ubi, etc) got on Sony about that, and now that 5 people # is 2 people. So how was MS going to get 10 people to all be able to play a game for 6 dollars each? Simple answer, is they were blowing smoke up your ass.

MS deserves their current situation. The only way they can beat Sony is to get in to a race to the bottom. Considering ms has yet to turn a profit in video games, I doubt they want to do that, especially when it didn't work with the original xbox. They've lost billions of dollars in consoles. That may be just a drop in the bucket for ms, but you can bet your ass that investors still don't want to lose that money. I have serious doubts there will be another xbox. They gave it a shot, it didn't work, now it's time to move on and put their billions into markets they can succeed in.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Mdog coming in strong with the Sony PR. :chuckles:

 

[FiveThous]

MS was allowing you to share the game with 10 friends but only one friend could play it at a time. You were able to select up to 10 people (you could choose only 1 if you wanted.) The initial info was saying you'd buy a digital license and you'd be able to sell it back directly to the publisher so they could reissue the license. Essentially they were giving the middle finger to the Gamestops and others that screw you on trade in prices. Most people just read the "zomg microsoft hates the secondary market" and didn't look much past that.

 

[FiveThous]

Okay I was slightly off but here is the rundown

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license

With our modern architecture, Xbox One games will load more quickly, will be always accessible from the cloud, and there is no physical limit to the size or scope of the content provided.

Here are our platform policies and capabilities for game licensing – all of which will be made available when Xbox One launches later this year:

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.

Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.

We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.

 

[Mdog1]

Mdog coming in strong with the Sony PR. :chuckles:

At least what I am saying is true. Remember that poll you posted?

And Phil Spencer came out and admitted TR is in fact timed exclusive, no duration was given. Most likely scenario is either 3 months or 6 months I would imagine. That would put TR for pc/ps4 out in January/February, or April/May.

Basically the "drought" months for games, which actually isn't a bad tactic. I bought the 2013 ps4 version for 30 bucks, when the next one goes down to that price I will consider it again. I liked the game, but it just wasn't something I would pay full retail for. Basically a poor mans Uncharted, which is a game I am 50/50 on paying full price for.

Ps4 or xb1, go with a pc. And I don't even have a pc...

Edit: 5, that is from June 19th (my birthday...), after e3. The original reveal there was no mention of any of that stuff. Or is that the date of the update, and that article is from before the 19th? In may they specifically had said no used games, until they backed off of it.

 

[Jack Brickman]

At least what I am saying is true. Remember that poll you posted?

I don't get what the poll has to do with anything. It wasn't inherently pro-Sony or pro-Microsoft. It was just interesting. I just happened to not read the article attached to it and misinterpreted what it was showing. Regardless, there was no spin in it. It just showed which areas of the country were most interested in each console.

Aside from that, I own both consoles, bro, along with a gaming PC. I bought them both day one. I owned both the PS3 and 360, and both the PS2 and Xbox, and the PS1, and the Wii, and the GameCube, and the Nintendo 64, and pretty much every other console. I'm a gamer, not a fanboy.

Although I have pretty much given up on Nintendo at this point. :chuckles: