Adding Plesac and Amed would be a huge gain. However, it wouldn't be nearly enough to get Winker.
What would we have to add?
And who would be our SS next year if Amed is traded? We don't even have a second baseman and we would have to find a SS as well.
I have no idea for any of those questions...which is why I dont see a fit.
The Reds are locked into Votto and Suarez for several years, so they aren't looking for a corner IF. They have India and Barrero, who they see as their SS. They are set at catcher.
Their pitching staff is solid, if not spectacular.
What they don't have is outfielders. Winker is it for next year. They can't go into a season planning on Naquin, Senzel, Akiyama, and Aquino.
Plus, you are correct about Amed. I highly doubt he will be traded. We are not going into a season without any dependable MIF.
And I also doubt that we are gonna trade Plesac, unless the return is huge...in terms of both offensive production and affordability.
Fans like to assume that Plesac is the next SP to be dealt. But he is a solid #3 being paid the minimum. The FO trades SPs when they are due for a big jump in salary, not when they are inexpensive. Cost control of SPs is the reason behind the pitching factory in the first place.
If Plesac is traded, it will likely be as part of a package for a young bat that costs very little.
As an example, IMO a Reynolds type contract as opposed to a Marte.
The FO just watched a very good rotation be decimated by unexpected injuries to pitchers with healthy track records. They also watched a large group of youngsters struggle in Cleveland. I doubt they will set themselves up for the same possibility next year, unless the return is huge for 2022 and beyond...and not costly.
So, if we are looking at Plesac trades, we need to take contracts into consideration.
When I look at a Plesac+ for Marte trade, I see...
4 yrs of MOR production (9 fWAR) that will cost about $14 mil + whatever prospects are included for 3 yrs of solid above average production (10 fWAR) for $26.4 mil.