NBA Finals Game 4: Warriors @ Cavs, June 10, 2016, 9:00 PM EST

That one hurt bad. I feel like I just watched my dog die right in front of me.

Great to know these fucks won a ring playing with a different set of rules than every other team


When regular teams stars don't produce its a problem but don't worry GS when you struggle the NBA will just allow Iggy and Barnes to hack on defnese and then be surprised when they are the number one defensive team ever

For the first time in this playoff's, I won't watch the next game. It's too much for me man. Waking up at 4am in the morning( I'm from Eastern Europe, sucks a lot) isn't worth it. High hopes turn to dust when you see your best players talking about leading the team and doing stuff that they don't even try their best to do. And the Warriors weren't playing at their highest level. Sure, they shot a high percentage from beyond the 3pt line but that's not the point. Bad defense and non calls combined with momentum killers from the refs helped Warriors to get in their groove. The Warriors had ugly games all series long and I hate to see them get so cocky and arrogant for nothing. It's not fair.

I really wish we had the extra day of rest. Shame.

Our second half looked like all the games in Golden State. Guys got so lost on defense. The 1/2 pick and roll killed us. And the Warriors shot like the Warriors on our home court. We're going to need a speech that lasts more than a game. Charmin soft.

People were quick to bag Delly for his -10 +/- last game. He was the only cav that played tonight that didn't have a negative rating. Bench wasn't used properly. Taking two's when you're down by a dozen with a minute on the clock? What the hell??

Shumpmatic said:

As soon as i saw that they were letting them play i knew we would lose. Our style is predicated on getting to the rim and kicking out. If thry let them hack us inside it destroys our offense. People will say well they let us play too but it's not advantageous to our style of play and they know that. Lue's rotations were also horrible.

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As soon as I heard Danny Crawford was one of the officials on the radio broadcast I said "fuck". Still we didn't play well enough to win.

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Benedict_Boozer said:

As for Lebron, I think it's age and wear and tear. He doesn't have that same bounce in his step and when he starts turning it over, clear sign he is fatigued.


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LeBron had enough in the tank to box out and take care of the ball (both of which he didn't do). His problem was his brain, not his body.

I think it's unfair to put it all on LeBron. Our bench failed us. Lue really didn't have many options. Delly, Moz and Shump were big factors last Finals. Delly in particular -- wtf happened?? Frye can't play defense against this team, nor can Love. Kyrie is inconsistent. JR had no offense games 1 and 2. RJ did contribute a little but he's too old to rely on for much.

One day of rest isn't enough for LeBron when he has to play so many minutes. Take him off the floor too long and we are screwed.

Another offseason of changes coming.

Modest Mouse said:

It is a hot take to say that Kevin Love should be traded? Not because he's not an excellent player in his own right but because it just doesn't seem like we can effectively fit him into what we want to do.

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I don't think it's even that.

I think Kevin Love is literally just not playable against Golden State. It really sucks. One team literally changes the way we feel.about a guy we traded for to be part of our big 3 . If we played OKC or S.A., Love would be much more playable , much more useful, and less criticized...but this Golden State team is the perfect storm and unfortunately for the Cavs that storm is happening during our peak championshop window.

At least we know that Kyrie is a fucking bonafide stuff and a good fit. But Love just doesn't bring what we need to the table to beat this Warriors team and it's painfully obvious.

At least in the first half we like, went to him in the post and got him good mismatches. He wasn't that bad, but all that we got in he 2nd half was Love trying his ass off defensively, which I give him personal credit for, but when he is running around the perimeter,he doesn't have the speed to agility to make up for all that space and he becomes invisible around the rim which is where we started getting destroyed.

The Warriors truly are a historically great team because the Cavs are really good and would probably have beaten OKC or SA like a drum but Golden State is just so fucking good.

I'm just sad, man.

I really feel the pain for you Clevelanders, but you have to realize there is no shortcuts in building a winning team and franchise. It has to start from the front office, and trickle down to the last player...
This team can't be runned by LBJ as great as he is. He insisted on the Love trade, He is responsible for the outragous TT contract, He eliminated a good coach and so on...
When you don't do things the right way, you can have all the the talent in the world (which the Cavs do have, in my opinion we are the most talented team in the world) but you still won't win...

Jtripp said:

People were quick to bag Delly for his -10 +/- last game. He was the only cav that played tonight that didn't have a negative rating. Bench wasn't used properly. Taking two's when you're down by a dozen with a minute on the clock? What the hell??

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Did Delly see any time in the second half? Everyone in the first half who played were +
If you played in the second you were probably a negative.

Benedict_Boozer said:

As for Lebron, I think it's age and wear and tear. He doesn't have that same bounce in his step and when he starts turning it over, clear sign he is fatigued.


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yup. i refuse to believe iggy is just the one player on earth who can contain the best player in basketball. don't remember him having a problem with iggy when he played with the 76ers

no chance young lebron looks like that. iggy is out there with no fear like lebron is a bum (and he's the only player in the league who gets to slap down with impunity)

The NBA clearly didn't wanna take Green out of these playoffs


They clearly wanted to establish that GS was allowed to set the tone of physical play in every series. There was no set standard. It was how much do we let GS get away with before we start calling fouls for the other team.
Iv never seen this level of favoritism


I honestly don't want to watch the NBA next year


I definitely may find something better to do with my time

Shumpmatic said:

As soon as i saw that they were letting them play i knew we would lose. Our style is predicated on getting to the rim and kicking out. If thry let them hack us inside it destroys our offense. People will say well they let us play too but it's not advantageous to our style of play and they know that. Lue's rotations were also horrible.

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It also helps their illegal screen offense. If they call games tight, actually by the rulebook, they probably get swept. But the league knows that.