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The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

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Soda said:
He's not an "X". That doesn't mean he's not worth what they're paying and it doesn't mean that he's not a great receiver. Fans with tunnel vision only care about the "X" guy and the stats that come along with that position.

It's just weird to not like a near 1,000 yard receiver because you're in the owner's wallet and you took a stand on a hill early on about a guy and won't come off it. Even after he's widely considered a good decision.
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You're still missing the point.

The fact that Landry got targeted 149 times (9th in the entire league) and still didn't break 1000 yards is the problem. Plus he had more drops than touchdown catches. He was NOT a particularly productive player, they just threw him the ball a lot.

I did the research in another thread: http://www.realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?posts/3190168/

Once Landry's volume was essentially chopped in half, the Browns offense as a whole exploded. Even after that happened, he was still the 5th most efficient guy on the team.

Throwing the ball to almost any other the player on the team, pre Freddie OR post Freddie, was statistically a better play for the Browns than throwing to Landry. Landry was less efficient as a pass catcher than Perriman, Higgins, Callaway and Njoku.
 
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CBBI said:
You're still missing the point.

The fact that Landry got targeted 149 times (9th in the entire league) and still didn't break 1000 yards is the problem. Plus he had more drops than touchdown catches. He was NOT a particularly productive player, they just threw him the ball a lot.

I did the research in another thread: http://www.realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?posts/3190168/

Once Landry's volume was essentially chopped in half, the Browns offense as a whole exploded. Even after that happened, he was still the 5th most efficient guy on the team.

Throwing the ball to almost any other the player on the team, pre Freddie OR post Freddie, was statistically a better play for the Browns than throwing to Landry. Landry was less efficient as a pass catcher than Perriman, Higgins, Callaway and Njoku.
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IMO, defenses will game-plan more towards Landry than they would the likes of Perriman, Higgins, or Callaway.

Also, part of Baker's growth as a QB is knowing when to take the 5-10 yard underneath routes versus launching the ball 15-20+ yards down the field in a tight window. Landry's bread-n-butter is around 8-10 yards - I'm guessing his efficiency is impacted by the type of throws his QB makes. He needs to build a better repertoire with Baker.

Anyhow, not saying that Landry is a #1 receiver or that his performance wasn't somewhat disappointing this year (besides the leadership, hype/culture change, blocking, etc...). But one year isn't enough to judge whether or not he was worth it. I think he was, but we need to at least give it another year (and an offseason actually working with Baker) to properly evaluate his worth on the field.
 
Nah, doubt Landry keeps coordinators staying after hours conducting a plan; he isn’t a dominant player at all. You really don’t need to much for him at all. If anything, I’m willing to bet coordinators hope we target him heavily.

And I like Landry; my last hope is a consistent downfield threat opens things up a bit more in the middle and underneath but eh
 
CBBI said:
You're still missing the point.

The fact that Landry got targeted 149 times (9th in the entire league) and still didn't break 1000 yards is the problem. Plus he had more drops than touchdown catches. He was NOT a particularly productive player, they just threw him the ball a lot.

I did the research in another thread: http://www.realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?posts/3190168/

Once Landry's volume was essentially chopped in half, the Browns offense as a whole exploded. Even after that happened, he was still the 5th most efficient guy on the team.

Throwing the ball to almost any other the player on the team, pre Freddie OR post Freddie, was statistically a better play for the Browns than throwing to Landry. Landry was less efficient as a pass catcher than Perriman, Higgins, Callaway and Njoku.
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I'm missing no point. I don't agree with how you're framing his impact. At all, really. I wonder if the 5th best blocking WR in the game helps the production of his receiving brethren. Not to mention, it's highly unlikely that any DC game-planned for any of the other receivers more than they did for Jarvis. You say the team was more productive when he wasn't receiving. I say he's got a lot to do with the success the other receivers are experiencing. All that while still producing, albeit not to your preferred efficiency.
 
Soda said:
I'm missing no point. I don't agree with how you're framing his impact. At all, really. I wonder if the 5th best blocking WR in the game helps the production of his receiving brethren. Not to mention, it's highly unlikely that any DC game-planned for any of the other receivers more than they did for Jarvis. You say the team was more productive when he wasn't receiving. I say he's got a lot to do with the success the other receivers are experiencing. All that while still producing, albeit not to your preferred efficiency.
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Lmao, preferred efficiency.

He was the 88th rank WR in DVOA. He caught 54% of his passes thrown at him.

The guy just simply isnt all that good. Hes a limited physically WR with good hands. He has a place in the league but he definitely isnt a guy who is being schemed around.
 
Soda said:
I'm missing no point. I don't agree with how you're framing his impact. At all, really. I wonder if the 5th best blocking WR in the game helps the production of his receiving brethren. Not to mention, it's highly unlikely that any DC game-planned for any of the other receivers more than they did for Jarvis. You say the team was more productive when he wasn't receiving. I say he's got a lot to do with the success the other receivers are experiencing. All that while still producing, albeit not to your preferred efficiency.
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Keep grasping at those straws my dude.

Landry's blocking helped the other receivers produce better? How many WR screens do you think the Browns were running exactly? :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

I agree wholeheartedly with @MGMT. Teams *want* the Browns to throw the ball more to Landry because it's not an efficient play for the offense compared to literally everyone else they could be throwing to.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Lmao, preferred efficiency.

He was the 88th rank WR in DVOA. He caught 54% of his passes thrown at him.

The guy just simply isnt all that good. Hes a limited physically WR with good hands. He has a place in the league but he definitely isnt a guy who is being schemed around.
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He also led the team in drops and was 3rd in the NFL unofficially in that category.
 
CBBI said:
Keep grasping at those straws my dude.

Landry's blocking helped the other receivers produce better? How many WR screens do you think the Browns were running exactly? :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

I agree wholeheartedly with @MGMT. Teams *want* the Browns to throw the ball more to Landry because it's not an efficient play for the offense compared to literally everyone else they could be throwing to.
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Enjoy living on the hill that has a slight against a Browns player. :img56:
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
Lmao, preferred efficiency.

He was the 88th rank WR in DVOA. He caught 54% of his passes thrown at him.

The guy just simply isnt all that good. Hes a limited physically WR with good hands. He has a place in the league but he definitely isnt a guy who is being schemed around.
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Is that the norm or a variance off of the norm?
 
CBBI said:
Keep grasping at those straws my dude.

Landry's blocking helped the other receivers produce better? How many WR screens do you think the Browns were running exactly? :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

I agree wholeheartedly with @MGMT. Teams *want* the Browns to throw the ball more to Landry because it's not an efficient play for the offense compared to literally everyone else they could be throwing to.
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Here’s the other thing - he was 5th best at RUN blocking, per PFF. His pass blocking was absolutely awful. Overall, his total blocking ranks as 58/100 receivers.

Keep grasping at straws about Landry, though. He’s a good locker room guy and should be more efficient when he’s solely a slot receiver. But he’s not a true X receiver... he’s just not that good. Defenses don’t gameplan for him.
 
jking948 said:
Keep grasping at straws about Landry, though. He’s a good locker room guy and should be more efficient when he’s solely a slot receiver. But he’s not a true X receiver... he’s just not that good. Defenses don’t gameplan for him.
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Ahh. We live in a world where receivers "aren't that good" when they're not "X" receivers. Fantastic. How about a 3-4/4-3 breakdown next.
 
Soda said:
Is that the norm or a variance off of the norm?
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It's off the norm for him, but that's probably because he didnt get thrown a shit load of 4 yard passes this year.
 
Soda said:
Ahh. We live in a world where receivers "aren't that good" when they're not "X" receivers. Fantastic. How about a 3-4/4-3 breakdown next.
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Hes not really a good slot WR.

Especially when he is the 7th highest paid WR in the NFL.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
It's off the norm for him, but that's probably because he didnt get thrown a shit load of 4 yard passes this year.
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Ok. Everyone else in the NFL has his reputation incorrect, then. He has been tabbed as "sure-handed" by almost everyone that evaluates talent for a living, but his first year in Cleveland is the norm.
 
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