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2019 Series #45 | Indians vs. White Sox | September 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th

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It's Tito's fault for putting arguably his best bullpen arm out there, rather than just accepting the fact that sometimes the players don't execute?

Okay.
The blame has to go on someone and people aren't going to put it on Carrasco.
 
Really now? Cookie is an immense talent but he’s not even a reliever! He’s adjusting to a brand new role, coming back from a months-long absence from a serious life-threatening disease, and Tito immediately throws him into a high-leverage situation after he said he wouldn’t.

I'm not sure I'd consider starting an inning with a 3 run lead to be high leverage. I know it's a save/hold situation, but those are both silly stats anyways.
 
For whatever this is worth...

Fangraphs Leverage Index

Leverage Index is a snap to use. An LI of 1 is average. Anything above 1 is above average and anything below it is below average. We bin the situations into three groups (Low: 0-0.85, Medium: 0.85-2.0, High: 2.0+), but then can range from essentially 0 to around 10 for the most intense moments.


  • Up 3 in the Top of the 8th with No Outs, No Baserunners = 0.90, so just barely passing the echelon for Medium Leverage

  • Tied in the Top of the 8th with No Outs, No Baserunners= 1.90, so nearly considered High Leverage
 
Really now? Cookie is an immense talent but he’s not even a reliever! He’s adjusting to a brand new role, coming back from a months-long absence from a serious life-threatening disease, and Tito immediately throws him into a high-leverage situation after he said he wouldn’t.

Exactly what did Tito say in that regard? The only thing I saw -- and maybe there is something else of which I'm not aware -- is the quote cited above by @Kevalier .

"We had talked about the first couple outings trying to get him in games where it's not bases loaded or a tie game, because he doesn't have a lot of innings yet."

If that is the quote on which folks are hanging Tito, a couple of things jump out at me:

1) Tito talked specifically about not putting him in "bases loaded" or "a tie game", which he didn't. The "high leverage" (unless there is another specific quote out there) seems to be a characterization of Tito's remarks by fans. But from that quote at least, Tito seemed pretty specific about the situations he wanted to "try" to avoid. But regardless of that....

2) The other issue is Tito's use of the the word "trying". Rather than making a flat promise that Cookie wouldn't be in a bases loaded, or tie-game, or even "high-leverage" situation, Tito just pointed out that it was something he was going to try to avoid. But ultimately, the goal was to get him into games so he could start getting innings on the mound, and if the only situations that presented themselves were "high-leverage" (or whatever...), then that's what would have to happen.

Putting Cookie in when the Tribe was up by 3 was the least-leverage opportunity available in that game. Tonight might be mostly a tie game, or just a 1-2 runs margin, so he wouldn't be able to pitch Cookie again. Tito probably just figured a 3 run lead was a decent situation to give Cookie a meaningful inning. Maye the "least leverage" situation he could reasonably expect for a given game.

Obviously, people are free to argue whether or not that right was the right call, but I personally don't think it is fair to say that Tito contradicted himself. Even if he did use the phrase "high-leverage" without any other context, a 3 run lead is something about which reasonable people may disagree.
 
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For whatever this is worth...

Fangraphs Leverage Index

Leverage Index is a snap to use. An LI of 1 is average. Anything above 1 is above average and anything below it is below average. We bin the situations into three groups (Low: 0-0.85, Medium: 0.85-2.0, High: 2.0+), but then can range from essentially 0 to around 10 for the most intense moments.


  • Up 3 in the Top of the 8th with No Outs, No Baserunners = 0.90, so just barely passing the echelon for Medium Leverage

  • Tied in the Top of the 8th with No Outs, No Baserunners= 1.90, so nearly considered High Leverage

Who came up with that definition, and was that the specific definition to which Tito was referring when he talked about "high-leverage" situations? Because unless it was, then it would basically be someone else using their interpretation of what Tito said to prove that Tito contradicted himself. That wouldn't seem quite fair to me.

Again, that's assuming he actually used that phrase outside the context of the tie game/bases-loaded specific examples he gave.
 
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Who came up with that definition, and was that the specific definition to which Tito was referring when he talked about "high-leverage" situations? Because unless it was, then it would basically be someone else using their interpretation of what Tito said to prove that Tito contradicted himself. That wouldn't seem quite fair to me.

Again, that's assuming he actually used that phrase outside the context of the tie game/bases-loaded specific examples he gave.

I'd have no problems with anyone criticizing Tito for leaving him in after the McCann HR.

But to begin with? 3 run lead at home, playing the White Sox, your typical bridge guys (Goody, Wittgren, even Clippard) threw 25 pitches each last night, no upcoming lefties so not ideal for Oliver Perez. People really weren't comfortable with throwing Cookie, coming off a day of rest, there? Even if the game were tied I wouldn't have had a problem with it.
 
I'd have no problems with anyone criticizing Tito for leaving him in after the McCann HR.

But to begin with? 3 run lead at home, playing the White Sox, your typical bridge guys (Goody, Wittgren, even Clippard) threw 25 pitches each last night, no upcoming lefties so not ideal for Oliver Perez. People really weren't comfortable with throwing Cookie, coming off a day of rest, there? Even if the game were tied I wouldn't have had a problem with it.

Bingo.

And Carrasco would certainly tell you that its on him to get those guys.

I'm all for speaking on Tito's somewhat antiquated approach on bunting, or running his bridge guys into the ground. But last night was not a fair take, IMO.
 
It was a bad loss, but great to have Cookie out there again. Brutal for our Central chances, and really bad for the WC. But it really doesn't change the fact that the Tribe isn't going to make any noise this postseason with this bullpen and this lineup. The Indians are great summer entertainment, but probably not a contender until the next rebuild. It happens.
 
It was a bad loss, but great to have Cookie out there again. Brutal for our Central chances, and really bad for the WC. But it really doesn't change the fact that the Tribe isn't going to make any noise this postseason with this bullpen and this lineup. The Indians are great summer entertainment, but probably not a contender until the next rebuild. It happens.
So you’re telling me if we had Jose, Kluber and Cookie in a starters role we wouldn’t be able to make some noise?
 
Bingo.

And Carrasco would certainly tell you that its on him to get those guys.

I'm all for speaking on Tito's somewhat antiquated approach on bunting, or running his bridge guys into the ground. But last night was not a fair take, IMO.


Well, even Tito thinks it’s fair to question Tito. Credit to him for showing introspection where some mangers wouldn’t in that situation. Onto today’s game though. Let’s figure out the enigma that is freaking Ivan Nova to our lineup this season.
 
So you’re telling me if we had Jose, Kluber and Cookie in a starters role we wouldn’t be able to make some noise?
None of that matters because we lost in 2016 and something about Jim Thome leaving the city or some other take that he constantly repeats that has nothing to do with this team
 
So you’re telling me if we had Jose, Kluber and Cookie in a starters role we wouldn’t be able to make some noise?

I just think it will be very difficult in October with our bullpen against the likes of the Yankees, Astros, and Twins. Sure they have a chance if they get in, but I wouldn't bet a significant amount of money on it if I were you.
 
The bullpen which has been largely the same (Twins) or better (Astros) statistically than the Twins and Astros bullpen?

Weird argument, but hey...

Hot takes, amirite?
 

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