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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%

  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%

  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%

  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%
  • Total voters
    183
Triplethreat said:
This coming from the guy who was quick to call me out for talking about the line in camp. Then posts an article stating the line in camp is where the issues began and calling it “a great breakdown”

Step back for a bit bud your Mayfield hate hard on schtick is getting old.
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A profoundly terrible excuse for both you and the analyst who sent children nudes.
 
Triple-S said:
Why?

Where is that getting us?

my god this fanbase is going fucking insane.
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If Baker gets worse than what he is at now, then it's a very tenuous, at best, that he would be the future of the position on this team.

That'd be 16 games of a negative TD-INT ratio, a sub 60% completion rate and an upcoming cap situation that would really sink the team for the future.

But in no way am I saying that's either likely or going to happen. I would expect Baker to improve. By a lot. He has way more talent than he has shown.
 
If Baker continues this trend and level of play, why in the world wouldn't you explore bringing in another QB this off-season?

I mean you simply have to be better at this position. And if your football IQ is so low that practice pass rush forces you to be this bad, then its a pretty good sign that your QB doesn't have what it takes to win at this level.
 
AZ_ said:
If Baker continues this trend and level of play, why in the world wouldn't you explore bringing in another QB this off-season?

I mean you simply have to be better at this position. And if your football IQ is so low that practice pass rush forces you to be this bad, then its a pretty good sign that your QB doesn't have what it takes to win at this level.
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Please relax...

Drew Brees first two years as a starter:

5,000 passing 28 TD/31INT

Ben Roethlisberger 3rd season:

3400 passing 18 TD/23 INT

Peyton Manning first 16 games:

3600 passing 26TD/28INT



just everyone take a deep breath please.
 
I’m just picturing a wide-eyed Baker at a retirement conference admitting that staring down the barrel of a Myles Garrett and Larry Ogunjobi pass rush in shorts was too overwhelming for him. And that he knew after the second batted pass that it was going to be a long sophomore season and that he just wasnt enjoying the game anymore.
 
The Oi said:
I’m just picturing a wide-eyed Baker at a retirement conference admitting that staring down the barrel of a Myles Garrett and Larry Ogunjobi pass rush in shorts was too overwhelming for him. And that he knew after the second batted pass that it was going to be a long sophomore season and that he just wasnt enjoying the game anymore.
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Take a deep breath.

Peyton Manning had to face Dwight Freeney in practice in Year 5
 
AZ_ said:
If Baker continues this trend and level of play, why in the world wouldn't you explore bringing in another QB this off-season?

I mean you simply have to be better at this position. And if your football IQ is so low that practice pass rush forces you to be this bad, then its a pretty good sign that your QB doesn't have what it takes to win at this level.
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I mean record setting levels of success as a rookie seem like a good reason for replacement.
 
AZ_ said:
If Baker continues this trend and level of play, why in the world wouldn't you explore bringing in another QB this off-season?

I mean you simply have to be better at this position. And if your football IQ is so low that practice pass rush forces you to be this bad, then its a pretty good sign that your QB doesn't have what it takes to win at this level.
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I know the name of the game is to make TripleThreat look dumb at all costs, but let's be realistic about what he and Jake Burns are suggesting.

It is very likely that Baker realized throughout training camp and through the first 5 weeks of the season that his offensive line sucks. It's not all-time bad, but it's bad.

Low football IQ would be if Baker was oblivious to this fact.

So it stands to reason that the young QB could be overly focused on the poor performance of his offensive line, and in turn that fear/concern is consuming way too much brain/processing capacity right now and is hindering his ability to play the position.

There are two ways to fix this: 1) be patient and let the kid adjust & 2) address the offensive line.

#1 will hopefully happen over the course of the season, and hopefully sooner than later. #2 will likely have to wait until the offseason...but you'd hope that the o-line gels as the season progresses and can move from being terrible to being simply below average.
 
chrisrich91 said:
I know the name of the game is to make TripleThreat look dumb at all costs, but let's be realistic about what he and Jake Burns are suggesting.

It is very likely that Baker realized throughout training camp and through the first 5 weeks of the season that his offensive line sucks. It's not all-time bad, but it's bad.

Low football IQ would be if Baker was oblivious to this fact.

So it stands to reason that the young QB could be overly focused on the poor performance of his offensive line, and in turn that fear/concern is consuming way too much brain/processing capacity right now and is hindering his ability to play the position.

There are two ways to fix this: 1) be patient and let the kid adjust & 2) address the offensive line.

#1 will hopefully happen over the course of the season, and hopefully sooner than later. #2 will likely have to wait until the offseason...but you'd hope that the o-line gels as the season progresses and can move from being terrible to being simply below average.
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The real problem is that rolling to the right when his first read fails and pressure comes is a tic that Baker has had his entire career.

Last year this was not a problem because Zeitler is outstanding at shifting the line. This year the consequences are much greater. It’s why I’m not sure that the left side of the line is the biggest problem. If Baker is going to continue to have the tic, then the right side of the line needs to be better. Ultimately, both things need to change.
 
chrisrich91 said:
I know the name of the game is to make TripleThreat look dumb at all costs, but let's be realistic about what he and Jake Burns are suggesting.

It is very likely that Baker realized throughout training camp and through the first 5 weeks of the season that his offensive line sucks. It's not all-time bad, but it's bad.

Low football IQ would be if Baker was oblivious to this fact.

So it stands to reason that the young QB could be overly focused on the poor performance of his offensive line, and in turn that fear/concern is consuming way too much brain/processing capacity right now and is hindering his ability to play the position.

There are two ways to fix this: 1) be patient and let the kid adjust & 2) address the offensive line.

#1 will hopefully happen over the course of the season, and hopefully sooner than later. #2 will likely have to wait until the offseason...but you'd hope that the o-line gels as the season progresses and can move from being terrible to being simply below average.
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I'm sorry, but this is just excuse making for a level of play that has been unacceptable for a QB.

Get rid of the ball, stop being gun shy and NOT throwing it as we've seen on tape. If you're that skiddish about the offensive line plan, then he wouldn't be so hesitant to let it fly as often as we've seen.

It's just a terrible excuse that would signify, if nothing else, a mentally fragile QB who has been completely unable to adjust his game to the point that elevates his play to an acceptable level.
 
AZ_ said:
I'm sorry, but this is just excuse making for a level of play that has been unacceptable for a QB.

Get rid of the ball, stop being gun shy and NOT throwing it as we've seen on tape. If you're that skiddish about the offensive line plan, then he wouldn't be so hesitant to let it fly as often as we've seen.

It's just a terrible excuse that would signify, if nothing else, a mentally fragile QB who has been completely unable to adjust his game to the point that elevates his play to an acceptable level.
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This schtick is starting to get cringey.
 
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