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I really don't know how to react to the Lindor stuff. He's my favorite player now and one of my faves ever. I hate having to take it and know that it's just the economics of baseball realizing that if this were any other league, the team would have the ability to keep him with a salary cap. Fucking sucks.
The adage: "..root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back...." comes to mind..
 
Literally nothing has changed in the last 3 months.
A lot of people took "he's not willing to sign an extension" and ran with it as "He not willing to sign at all"

We've known he wasn't willing to sign an extension since he turned down the Indians big pre-arb offer.

EDIT: Before anybody tries to tell me $100 million isn’t a big offer, it truly is for a guy with 1-2 years of service time like Lindor did at the time. The largest of the sort (at the time) was signed by Andrelton Simmons for 7 years $58 million.

Bregman just signed one similar to what Lindor was offered.
 
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Literally nothing has changed in the last 3 months.

It kinda has. They don’t have the luxury of reassessing where they are after a normal all star break.
If this season is really condensed, they may have to act quickly.
if the season is canceled, will anyone be willing to trade with uncertainty going into next year?
It’s not a good situation for the Indians.
 
It kinda has. They don’t have the luxury of reassessing where they are after a normal all star break.
If this season is really condensed, they may have to act quickly.
if the season is canceled, will anyone be willing to trade with uncertainty going into next year?
It’s not a good situation for the Indians.

Not what I was referring to.
 
Of course it hasn't, his agent hasn't been negotiating with the Indians. Nothing changes if they aren't talking.

Lindors agent/party i don't think want to try and negotiate during the season, which is not unreasonable. During the off season both parties will get together and try to get a deal done. Its not that Lindor doesn't want to stay, he just isn't willing to take less than what he is worth.

If Cleveland comes in this next off-season putting up a deal close to what Machado/Harper got, then Lindor will re-sign with Cleveland, otherwise he will go to free agency to see his options. I hate to say it, but he is doing what's right for him and I don't blame him. Until we get a salary cap in baseball, this is how its gonna work for a team like the Indians who get a generational player
 
Salary cap in baseball.

From the players side, that is kind of like participation trophies. No one gets more heavily rewarded than anyone else. Everyone gets hurt because all results are equivalated. There is not room to differentiate between players because everyone is marginalized by the top end being pushed down.

There is caps in baseball, a bunch of them. Not hard caps but definitely soft caps. Amateur streams both international and domestic are capped. And the luxury tax has clearly deterred the open end spending at the MLB level.

If you are waiting for hard caps, save that wish for your great grandchildren's era would be my guess. I am not sure you will ever get that one by the players.

Maybe we should have hard caps in Hollywood, heck no star should make more than another. All those riches going to the top 1% is socially evil.
 
Salary cap in baseball.

From the players side, that is kind of like participation trophies. No one gets more heavily rewarded than anyone else. Everyone gets hurt because all results are equivalated. There is not room to differentiate between players because everyone is marginalized by the top end being pushed down.

There is caps in baseball, a bunch of them. Not hard caps but definitely soft caps. Amateur streams both international and domestic are capped. And the luxury tax has clearly deterred the open end spending at the MLB level.

If you are waiting for hard caps, save that wish for your great grandchildren's era would be my guess. I am not sure you will ever get that one by the players.

Maybe we should have hard caps in Hollywood, heck no star should make more than another. All those riches going to the top 1% is socially evil.
Let’s just try to stay away from politics/social issues in here.
 
I do think I see an avenue to a salary cap in baseball similar to the one we see in the NBA.

In the last few seasons, we've seen a lot of mid-level (sometimes higher) FA have to play the waiting games and settle for far less money for far fewer years than they were hoping for. The MLBPA has been vocally displeased with these occurrences.

A solution to that is a salary cap (hard or soft) and a max contract.

Without a max contract, teams are rightfully giving all their money to the top players while a large percentage of players are left to fight for scraps. I have to imagine the player's association will look at ways to remedy this in the next CBA.

I don't even think you'd need to set that low. Obviously it'd be tied to revenue, but I'd be fine with the cap being $250 million. The real key is the existence of a max contract.

Now, I'm not even sure if a max contract is a positive for competitive balance. We've seen its impact on the NBA, and I wish they'd get rid of it. I'm just saying I don't think some sort of cap or max contract structure is that far-fetched given the recent complaints of the player's union.
 
Let’s just try to stay away from politics/social issues in here.
Juxtaposing something with something else is not "legal" to illustrate a point ?????
 
Juxtaposing something with something else is not "legal" to illustrate a point ?????
Site policy is no politics talk outside the subforum dedicated to it.
 
I do think I see an avenue to a salary cap in baseball similar to the one we see in the NBA.

In the last few seasons, we've seen a lot of mid-level (sometimes higher) FA have to play the waiting games and settle for far less money for far fewer years than they were hoping for. The MLBPA has been vocally displeased with these occurrences.

A solution to that is a salary cap (hard or soft) and a max contract.

Without a max contract, teams are rightfully giving all their money to the top players while a large percentage of players are left to fight for scraps. I have to imagine the player's association will look at ways to remedy this in the next CBA.

I don't even think you'd need to set that low. Obviously it'd be tied to revenue, but I'd be fine with the cap being $250 million. The real key is the existence of a max contract.

Now, I'm not even sure if a max contract is a positive for competitive balance. We've seen its impact on the NBA, and I wish they'd get rid of it. I'm just saying I don't think some sort of cap or max contract structure is that far-fetched given the recent complaints of the player's union.
So we will now trade players in baseball like they do in the NBA !!! REALLY

Then change all the baseball stat databases to financial because you won't need the playing field stats anymore. Because all they do in the NBA is trade contracts to get under this or that cap not production.

Lets see, we will trade Lindor and 5 other players for enough cap space to fit Mookie in. Sounds right in line with hundreds of years of baseball tradition.
 
So we will now trade players in baseball like they do in the NBA !!! REALLY

Then change all the baseball stat databases to financial because you won't need the playing field stats anymore. Because all they do in the NBA is trade contracts to get under this or that cap not production.

Lets see, we will trade Lindor and 5 other players for enough cap space to fit Mookie in. Sounds right in line with hundreds of years of baseball tradition.
I don't think you read my post at all, nor does it seem like you understand the economics of the NBA
 

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