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petes999 said:
Drafting the OSU kid would have helped with depth.
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TBH I am happy they didn't draft tOSU kid..
Picking up Donovan as a UDFA is fine but with limited draft slots, taking another catcher early in the draft (after Bo Naylor 2 yrs ago) would have been a collision in the development plans..
Additionally, the catcher role is evolving overall as automated zones are coming and more & more the games are being called by the dugout..
 
sportscoach said:
Well maybe we should project a 60 man roster?

To me, you have of course, your 40 man roster, meaning you need 20 more players. Clase is out because of the suspension, so that creates 21 spots for the 60 man invite.

21 guys from my list would be who should be brought in. Most of our top prospects havent played above A ball, so i cannot see us bring them in this season for this. (Bolded guys are who I feel should be in camp)

Pitchers:
Argenis Angulo
Kyle Dowdy
Anthony Gose (left)
Cam Hill
Ben Krauth (left)
Dominic Leone
Henry Martinez
Jared Robinson
Dalbert Siri
Jordan Stephens
Tanner Tully (left)
Robert Broom
Eli Morgan
Nick Sandlin
Kyle Nelson (left)

Catchers

Kungkuan Giljegiljaw
Cameron Rupp
Beau Taylor

Infielders

Mike Freeman
Tyler Krieger
Andruw Monasterio
Ernie Clement
Wilson Garcia
Nolan Jones


Outfielders

Mitch Longo
Daniel Johnson
Connor Marabell
Ka'ai Tom
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Sportscoach - I wish we could discuss this over a beer. It would be a great conversation that others would join into. I also think ur missing a few key aspects..

1) If your on the 40 man, your already part of the 60 player pool. That removes Daniel Johnson from your bolded players list (he is already on the 40 man). Additionally, you need to consider the makeup of that 40 man roster. There are 20 pitchers (21 with Clase) & 10 OF players already on the 40 man.
2) Only players part of the 60 player pool can be traded.
3) Word has already leaked that a few developmental prospects are part of the 60 player pool (George Valera, Tyler Freeman & Daniel Espino are among those names).
4) If those developmental guys are not in the 60 player pool, chances of them getting ANY organized team development this season is between slim & zero.

Its going to be a balancing act for sure & I like the Tribe's chances of building a good & deep group overall.
 
MadThinker88 said:
TBH I am happy they didn't draft tOSU kid..
Picking up Donovan as a UDFA is fine but with limited draft slots, taking another catcher early in the draft (after Bo Naylor 2 yrs ago) would have been a collision in the development plans..
Additionally, the catcher role is evolving overall as automated zones are coming and more & more the games are being called by the dugout..
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I actually disagree with this in the sense of drafting another C. The reason why is the fact, if the Indians thought the best guy on their board was a catcher then they would have drafted that catcher regardless of when they drafted a catcher beforehand. You can never have to many players in any position in the minor leagues.
 
sportscoach said:
Well maybe we should project a 60 man roster?

To me, you have of course, your 40 man roster, meaning you need 20 more players. Clase is out because of the suspension, so that creates 21 spots for the 60 man invite.

21 guys from my list would be who should be brought in. Most of our top prospects havent played above A ball, so i cannot see us bring them in this season for this. (Bolded guys are who I feel should be in camp)

Pitchers:
Argenis Angulo
Kyle Dowdy
Anthony Gose (left)
Cam Hill
Ben Krauth (left)
Dominic Leone
Henry Martinez
Jared Robinson
Dalbert Siri
Jordan Stephens
Tanner Tully (left)
Robert Broom
Eli Morgan
Nick Sandlin
Kyle Nelson (left)

Catchers

Kungkuan Giljegiljaw
Cameron Rupp
Beau Taylor

Infielders

Mike Freeman
Tyler Krieger
Andruw Monasterio
Ernie Clement
Wilson Garcia
Nolan Jones


Outfielders

Mitch Longo
Daniel Johnson
Connor Marabell
Ka'ai Tom
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I’ll be really disappointed if the Indians fill up this squad with a bunch of career minor leaguers.

I think this could be a great player development tool.
 
MadThinker88 said:
Sportscoach - I wish we could discuss this over a beer. It would be a great conversation that others would join into. I also think ur missing a few key aspects..

1) If your on the 40 man, your already part of the 60 player pool. That removes Daniel Johnson from your bolded players list (he is already on the 40 man). Additionally, you need to consider the makeup of that 40 man roster. There are 20 pitchers (21 with Clase) & 10 OF players already on the 40 man.
2) Only players part of the 60 player pool can be traded.
3) Word has already leaked that a few developmental prospects are part of the 60 player pool (George Valera, Tyler Freeman & Daniel Espino are among those names).
4) If those developmental guys are not in the 60 player pool, chances of them getting ANY organized team development this season is between slim & zero.

Its going to be a balancing act for sure & I like the Tribe's chances of building a good & deep group overall.
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@Derek as well

I'm typing from my phone, so if i messed up something, I blame the phone lol

Personally my list would be setup more of the 60 most ready MLB guys since I guess i am focused on winning it all first.

Who would you like to see on the 21 guys invited? We already know a few guys and I know there will be a few veterans (aka Mike Freeman) as well in the invite list.
 
sportscoach said:
@Derek as well

I'm typing from my phone, so if i messed up something, I blame the phone lol

Personally my list would be setup more of the 60 most ready MLB guys since I guess i am focused on winning it all first.

Who would you like to see on the 21 guys invited? We already know a few guys and I know there will be a few veterans (aka Mike Freeman) as well in the invite list.
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I think the non-40 man guys should basically just be our top remaining prospects regardless of level.
 
Info on Tribe guys as part of the Tribe 60 man pool

via: Indians Prospective
@indiansPro 10h

Updated players joining #Indians 60-man roster.
RHP Robert Broom
RHP Daniel Espino
RHP Ethan Hankins
RHP Cam Hill (NRI)
RHP Nick Sandlin
LHP Kyle Nelson

INF Ernie Clement
3B Nolan Jones
SS Tyler Freeman
OF George Valera * players are not on the current 40-man roster
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This would represent 10 of the 21 spots the Tribe could fill.
I still suspect 3 catchers to be added. Could also see a number of top prospects to be added and some more of the NRI (Jared Robinson/ Dominic Leone/ perhaps Anthony Gose).

It will be interesting to see how the Tribe shakes it all out...
 
I find it interesting that in a sport in which every aspect is broken down into myriad statistics, and projections based upon those statistics are microscopically viewed and depended upon to see into the future, so many fans ignore the same kind of statistical analysis when it comes to a pandemic.

Florida is seeing over 9000 new cases a day. Texas, Arizona, and California arent far behind. Those four states encompass one third of all MLB teams. And MLB players are in the age group that is now the driving force of the new explosion.

I dont know exactly how many people are involved in MLB, but when families are included, the number has to be at least 10,000. There is no way to isolate 10,000 people across much of North America for three or four months.

The NBA already has 5% of its 300 players in isolation. MLB is talking about 1800 players.

The math, no matter the protocols, simply does not work. Of course, maybe MLB gets lucky. Of course, the Royals could make the playoffs.

As for the crack that the sky is not falling...it already has. Just ask the families and friends of the nearly 130,000 Americans who have died so far, with no end in sight.
 
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CATS44 said:
I find it interesting that in a sport in which every aspect is broken down into myriad statistics, and projections based upon those statistics are microscopically viewed and depended upon to see into the future, so many fans ignore the same kind of statistical analysis when it comes to a pandemic.

Florida is seeing over 9000 new cases a day. Texas, Arizona, and California arent far behind. Those four states encompass one third of all MLB teams. And MLB players are in the age group that is now the driving force of the new explosion.

I dont know exactly how many people are involved in MLB, but when families are included, the number has to be at least 10,000. There is no way to isolate 10,000 people across much of North America for three or four months.

The NBA already has 5% of its 300 players in isolation. MLB is talking about 1800 players.

The math, no matter the protocols, simply does not work. Of course, maybe MLB gets lucky. Of course, the Royals could make the playoffs.

As for the crack that the sky is not falling...it already has. Just ask the families and friends of the nearly 130,000 Americans who have died so far, with no end in sight.
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Never been a fan of analytics.

Rona is batting well below the mendoza line.
 
MadThinker88 said:
Info on Tribe guys as part of the Tribe 60 man pool
via: Indians Prospective
@indiansPro 10h

Updated players joining #Indians 60-man roster.
RHP Robert Broom
RHP Daniel Espino
RHP Ethan Hankins
RHP Cam Hill (NRI)
RHP Nick Sandlin
LHP Kyle Nelson

INF Ernie Clement
3B Nolan Jones
SS Tyler Freeman
OF George Valera * players are not on the current 40-man roster
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This would represent 10 of the 21 spots the Tribe could fill.
I still suspect 3 catchers to be added. Could also see a number of top prospects to be added and some more of the NRI (Jared Robinson/ Dominic Leone/ perhaps Anthony Gose).

It will be interesting to see how the Tribe shakes it all out...
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I would like Jared Robinson on the taxi squad. I thought he was looking like a guy who could help the pen this year if given the opportunity.

I'm hoping we see Naylor, Rocchio, Bracho, Morgan, Scott, and Benson added as well. Beyond that, I'm not picky. Tom would be a nice addition, I just don't care to see guys like Connor Marabell, Tyler Krieger and Mitch Longo on there. They're closer to being released than being relevant players in this organization.
 
CATS44 said:
I find it interesting that in a sport in which every aspect is broken down into myriad statistics, and projections based upon those statistics are microscopically viewed and depended upon to see into the future, so many fans ignore the same kind of statistical analysis when it comes to a pandemic.

Florida is seeing over 9000 new cases a day. Texas, Arizona, and California arent far behind. Those four states encompass one third of all MLB teams. And MLB players are in the age group that is now the driving force of the new explosion.

I dont know exactly how many people are involved in MLB, but when families are included, the number has to be at least 10,000. There is no way to isolate 10,000 people across much of North America for three or four months.

The NBA already has 5% of its 300 players in isolation. MLB is talking about 1800 players.

The math, no matter the protocols, simply does not work. Of course, maybe MLB gets lucky. Of course, the Royals could make the playoffs.

As for the crack that the sky is not falling...it already has. Just ask the families and friends of the nearly 130,000 Americans who have died so far, with no end in sight.
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The thing is most of the younger crowds, that have been more positive of late, also end up being more of the people without any symptoms and being carries rather than anything else. So yes you have to be more careful, but at the same time most of the people who passed the corona on in the recent bigger states finding, more than likely werent showing symptoms so they didnt know they had it.

In Ohio the governor is calling for everyone to be allowed to take the test, but companies are still denying people the chance to take the test. So there is still a lot of issues, but the ball players will be almost tested everyday in a way it sounds like. I mean it will probably be safer to be a ball player than it would be to be in the general public.
 
MadThinker88 said:
TBH I am happy they didn't draft tOSU kid..
Picking up Donovan as a UDFA is fine but with limited draft slots, taking another catcher early in the draft (after Bo Naylor 2 yrs ago) would have been a collision in the development plans..
Additionally, the catcher role is evolving overall as automated zones are coming and more & more the games are being called by the dugout..
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I rather double up on key positions as you need 2 anyways with Perez and Leon being older. And, I would have gone Bistko too instead of Tucker ... thus doubling up on catcher to replace Perez in 2-3 years is better than the 10 SS to replace our next SS in 4-5 years. And, it’s not like Naylor or Dingler could change positions like Brancho and Tucker if both developed ... Naylor was projected at 2nd too and Dingler was playing CF at OSU at first (so córner isn’t out of Question). Plus, they may draft slot to do Bistko ($3 vs $2.85 slot) and Dingler ($1.85 slot) as Allen and Hickman signed for slot I think. Don’t know about Tolentino and waiting on Halpin. Rather have 2 FOR pitchers and top catchers and if 1 catcher is only backup and FOR is closer, you still fill positions of need.
 
Guys, if you want to discuss the virus in the baseball specific context of how it may affect the season, players wearing masks, etc. That's fine - that belongs in this forum.

If you want to give your opinion about the virus in general, or the wearing of masks/social distancing in society generally, or the human cost in general, this is NOT the forum for that. That belongs in the politics forum alone. And trying to get cute with that won't work.

I will not permit the vitriol that often accompanies such discussions to get a foothold in this BASEBALL forum.

@CATS44 @sportscoach @Lord Mar

Just a reminder to ensure your conversation here stays within those lines
 
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Derek said:
I would like Jared Robinson on the taxi squad. I thought he was looking like a guy who could help the pen this year if given the opportunity.

I'm hoping we see Naylor, Rocchio, Bracho, Morgan, Scott, and Benson added as well. Beyond that, I'm not picky. Tom would be a nice addition, I just don't care to see guys like Connor Marabell, Tyler Krieger and Mitch Longo on there. They're closer to being released than being relevant players in this organization.
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I am not going to disagree with you on it would be better to have prospects over AAAA players, but you still need players who are close to MLB ready also on the roster in case of a major injury. Ka'ai Tom I feel is the next man up in the OF, so he should be added and if we add Marabell or Longo, its cause of the MLB depth reasoning. Luckily though we have a ton of OFs on the 40 man so you may get your wish of more prospects vs AAAA guys selected when it comes to those OF spots.

Now when it comes to INF, we have no depth at the current moment, thats why I put Kreiger on the 60 man since he can play in the INF and OF. We should just go best talent potential for the INF positions over AAAA, but i wouldn't be surprised to see a Krieger just because of his ability to play in a lot of spots in the field.

So if i was using closer to your logic, we would see more of this type of 21 player invite.

RHP Robert Broom
RHP Daniel Espino
RHP Ethan Hankins
RHP Cam Hill
RHP Nick Sandlin
LHP Kyle Nelson
RHP Jared Robinson
LHP Adam Scott
RHP Eli Morgan
LHP Anthony Gose

C Beau Taylor
C Kungkuan Giljegiljaw
C Bo Naylor
INF Ernie Clement
3B Nolan Jones
SS Tyler Freeman
SS Brayan Brocchio
2B Aaron Bracho
OF George Valera
OF Ka'ai Tom
Util Tyler Kreiger

If Krieger isn't invited, it will be Benson or Morris should get that spot and that would still be a good looking setup.
 
sportscoach said:
I am not going to disagree with you on it would be better to have prospects over AAAA players, but you still need players who are close to MLB ready also on the roster in case of a major injury. Ka'ai Tom I feel is the next man up in the OF, so he should be added and if we add Marabell or Longo, its cause of the MLB depth reasoning. Luckily though we have a ton of OFs on the 40 man so you may get your wish of more prospects vs AAAA guys selected when it comes to those OF spots.

Now when it comes to INF, we have no depth at the current moment, thats why I put Kreiger on the 60 man since he can play in the INF and OF. We should just go best talent potential for the INF positions over AAAA, but i wouldn't be surprised to see a Krieger just because of his ability to play in a lot of spots in the field.

So if i was using closer to your logic, we would see more of this type of 21 player invite.

RHP Robert Broom
RHP Daniel Espino
RHP Ethan Hankins
RHP Cam Hill
RHP Nick Sandlin
LHP Kyle Nelson
RHP Jared Robinson
LHP Adam Scott
RHP Eli Morgan
LHP Anthony Gose

C Beau Taylor
C Kungkuan Giljegiljaw
C Bo Naylor
INF Ernie Clement
3B Nolan Jones
SS Tyler Freeman
SS Brayan Brocchio
2B Aaron Bracho
OF George Valera
OF Ka'ai Tom
Util Tyler Kreiger

If Krieger isn't invited, it will be Benson or Morris should get that spot and that would still be a good looking setup.
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I don't think the emphasis should be on MLB-ready guys at all. Or at least not in the sense you're using it. Just because Longo/Marabell/Krieger or whoever else are non-prospects in the upper-levels doesn't mean they'd fare any better than say, George Valera. Those guys completely blow.

We used a total of 54 different guys on our MLB roster across an injury-plagued 162 game season last year. I know COVID adds an extra wrinkle, but if things get bad enough that we're going deep into the taxi squad during a 60 game season, then the season is probably doomed at that point anyway.
 
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