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2021 Series #36 | Indians @ Tigers | Aug. 13-15

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Can we realistically expect Triston to hold up for 180IP+ in 2021? Therein lies my only concern with the kid. He's never thrown more than 143 innings in a season and that was in 17. No other total IP is even close.
 
Most naturally gifted starter in the rotation, and that includes the guy who was the unanimous Cy Young last year.

Starting to get his arm slotted properly which was a big reason for the high BB rate early on too. Kid is going to be a monster next season once he's able to clean up some minor things over the winter/spring.
Is there anything holding him back from being our long-term #2 behind BieGOAT, besides injury/availability?
 
Can we realistically expect Triston to hold up for 180IP+ in 2021? Therein lies my only concern with the kid. He's never thrown more than 143 innings in a season and that was in 17. No other total IP is even close.
As you know, he had injury issues earlier in his career. As he's getting older, and gets repeatable mechanics, he seems to be finding success. I think a strong off-season of conditioning and he should be ok.
And maybe more milkshakes.
 
Can we realistically expect Triston to hold up for 180IP+ in 2021? Therein lies my only concern with the kid. He's never thrown more than 143 innings in a season and that was in 17. No other total IP is even close.

There aren't that many pitchers that throw 180+ innings anymore. Heck, there aren't many that throw the 162 needed to qualify.

23 pitchers in the AL qualified in 2018...21 in 2019...23 so far in 2021.

If TMac is our #5..which I expect...he will be pitching behind four guys that, if healthy, should be able to go at least 180 IP...and be able to be used judiciously.

But in any case...even full health for the entire rotation...we will need at least two more SPs in a best case scenario...which is why none of the regular rotation will be traded this off season.
 
The last game that will ever be played between the Cleveland Indians and the Detroit Tigers was about all you could wish for as an Indians fan. Almost, but not all. It looked to me like Tristan was tiring in the 8th. He went to a 3-2 count on a 7-pitch at-bat against Nunez right before Castro's hit. And the hit by Castro was on a fastball clocked at only 90 mph and definitely above the top of the zone. Normally that pitch is 92-93 and nobody squares it up if they chase it.

If Castro lines out on that pitch I think Tristan would have given up a hit in the 9th, especially since he would have been starting the inning over 100 pitches. His previous high this year was 93. But he would have been facing the bottom third of the order. How perfect would it be to have a perfect game in the final Indians-Tigers game?

11 runs and 14 hits for the Tribe versus 0 runs and 1 hit for the Tigers. Total domination. What a great way to end a 106-year rivalry. Next year we start another one although I imagine they will keep the cumulative W-L record going since the franchises are the same.

The Indians take the season series 12-7. The Tigers are 7-12 against the Tribe and 51-50 against the rest of baseball.

Love the way the Tribe's right-handed hitters went to the opposite field early. The first five hits by right-handed batters were to right field, although three of them were jam jobs that were blooped in off the handle of the bat.

Franmil was the only batter not to get a hit, going 0-for-4 with 3 K's. La Mole has one single in his last 24 at-bats and one RBI. Hope he can find his mojo in this next series.

McKenzie faced the Tigers twice this season, pitching 13 innings and allowing 2 hits, no runs, 3 walks, and 16 K's. They have to be very happy they won't see him again this year. He added insult to injury in Miggy's last at-bat when he eschewed the 2-2 breaking ball away and challenged him with a fastball, getting a swing and miss. It was the third fastball in the at-bat; the first two were fouled off. It looked like McKenzie decided to have a little mano-a-mano and throw the heater on a 2-2 count instead of the obligatory slider down and away. He put it on the outside corner where Miggy likes it. But Miggy's bat speed isn't what it used to be and it was Casey at the Bat all over again.

This was Tristan's third consecutive strong outing, each one better than the one before. It looks like he's figured it out. But it helps when you have an 11-run lead and you're facing a team with only five good hitters. When the #5 hitter is batting .190 and nobody is the bottom third is over .214, well, you better have a good game.
 
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The last game that will ever be played between the Cleveland Indians and the Detroit Tigers was about all you could wish for as an Indians fan. Almost, but not all. It looked to me like Tristan was tiring in the 8th. He went to a 3-2 count on a 7-pitch at-bat against Nunez right before Castro's hit. And the hit by Castro was on a fastball clocked at only 90 mph and definitely above the top of the zone. Normally that pitch is 92-93 and nobody squares it up if they chase it.

If Castro lines out on that pitch I think Tristan would have given up a hit in the 9th, especially since he would have been starting the inning over 100 pitches. His previous high this year was 93. But he would have been facing the bottom third of the order. How perfect would it be to have a perfect game in the final Indians-Tigers game?

11 runs and 14 hits for the Tribe versus 0 runs and 1 hit for the Tigers. Total domination. What a great way to end a 106-year rivalry. Next year we start another one although I imagine they will keep the cumulative W-L record going since the franchises are the same.

The Indians take the season series 12-7. The Tigers are 7-12 against the Tribe and 51-50 against the rest of baseball.

Love the way the Tribe's right-handed hitters went to the opposite field early. The first five hits by right-handed batters were to right field, although three of them were jam jobs that were blooped in off the handle of the bat.

Franmil was the only batter not to get a hit, going 0-for-4 with 3 K's. La Mole has one single in his last 24 at-bats and one RBI. Hope he can find his mojo in this next series.

McKenzie faced the Tigers twice this season, pitching 13 innings and allowing 2 hits, no runs, 3 walks, and 16 K's. They have to be very happy they won't see him again this year. He added insult to injury in Miggy's last at-bat when he eschewed the 2-2 breaking ball away and challenged him with a fastball, getting a swing and miss. It was the third fastball in the at-bat; the first two were fouled off. It looked like McKenzie decided to have a little mano-a-mano and throw the heater on a 2-2 count instead of the obligatory slider down and away. He put it on the outside corner where Miggy likes it. But Miggy's bat speed isn't what it used to be and it was Casey at the Bat all over again.

This was Tristan's third consecutive strong outing, each one better than the one before. It looks like he's figured it out. But it helps when you have an 11-run lead and you're facing a team with only five good hitters. When the #5 hitter is batting .190 and nobody is the bottom third is over .214, well, you better have a good game.
Pulling off the ball while his left shoulder is flying open.. is a guarantee of misery.. misery, indeed..
 
There aren't that many pitchers that throw 180+ innings anymore. Heck, there aren't many that throw the 162 needed to qualify.

23 pitchers in the AL qualified in 2018...21 in 2019...23 so far in 2021.

If TMac is our #5..which I expect...he will be pitching behind four guys that, if healthy, should be able to go at least 180 IP...and be able to be used judiciously.

But in any case...even full health for the entire rotation...we will need at least two more SPs in a best case scenario...which is why none of the regular rotation will be traded this off season.
Your likely looking at a 2022 AAA rotation of: Eli Morgan, Trevor Stephen, Cody Morris, Konnor Pilkington along with other possible in house options.

Those options include:
Scott Moss (if still on the roster has an option).
Peyton Battenfield
Adam Scott
A returning Joey Cantillo might be in AA or AAA.
A returning Carlos Vargas will likely be in AA but is also a possibility.
Other arms like Juan Hillman/ Kirk McCarty might still be around too.
 
Your likely looking at a 2022 AAA rotation of: Eli Morgan, Trevor Stephen, Cody Morris, Konnor Pilkington along with other possible in house options.

Those options include:
Scott Moss (if still on the roster has an option).
Peyton Battenfield
Adam Scott
A returning Joey Cantillo might be in AA or AAA.
A returning Carlos Vargas will likely be in AA but is also a possibility.
Other arms like Juan Hillman/ Kirk McCarty might still be around too.
BieGOAT
Civale
Quail
Plesac
TMac

AAA
Morgan
Morris
Pilkington
Bettenfield
Logan Allen Jr.

AA
Cantillo (to start with)
Vargas (to start with)
Hillman
Logan Allen Jr.
Hankins

We go so much fricking pitching. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE.
 
BieGOAT
Civale
Quail
Plesac
TMac

AAA
Morgan
Morris
Pilkington
Bettenfield
Logan Allen Jr.

AA
Cantillo (to start with)
Vargas (to start with)
Hillman
Logan Allen Jr.
Hankins

We go so much fricking pitching. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WE.

Slow down with Vargas and Hankins... They both had tommy john this season so they may not be back right away in 22...

Moss starts at AAA again (more than likely since he still has an option)

Scott and Pilkington at AA to start...That makes our AA starting rotation to be straight left handed doesn't it...hmm...

Vargas and Hankins will start at one of the A ball locations, but will work up once command and health are back...

Then you have guys like Nikhazy, Williams etc all starting at low A more than likely but like Logan JR, moving up pretty quick if doing well.
 
Slow down with Vargas and Hankins... They both had tommy john this season so they may not be back right away in 22...

Moss starts at AAA again (more than likely since he still has an option)

Scott and Pilkington at AA to start...That makes our AA starting rotation to be straight left handed doesn't it...hmm...

Vargas and Hankins will start at one of the A ball locations, but will work up once command and health are back...

Then you have guys like Nikhazy, Williams etc all starting at low A more than likely but like Logan JR, moving up pretty quick if doing well.
You realize that Vargas and Hankins are already on Akron's roster this season, right? You can "start" him wherever on a rehab assignment. But they belong in Akron as soon as they are healthy.

People love to slow play the prospects. I don't get it.
 
As you know, he had injury issues earlier in his career. As he's getting older, and gets repeatable mechanics, he seems to be finding success. I think a strong off-season of conditioning and he should be ok.
And maybe more milkshakes.
the milkshake comment will still be accurate 10 years from now
 
You realize that Vargas and Hankins are already on Akron's roster this season, right? You can "start" him wherever on a rehab assignment. But they belong in Akron as soon as they are healthy.

People love to slow play the prospects. I don't get it.

I'm not slow playing them at all, I am saying they have to get some innings and since they haven't pitched above A ball, why put guys coming back from Tommy John in a level they haven't even pitched in before...first month Or so they won't be in AA cause they will be working back command and whatnot.

Torres was still coming back from Tommy John in 21 and he got it in 19. Now of course not having a season to properly train didn't help, but they aren't going to be full strength in the first half coming back from the surgery. No need to rush either guy back... They are going to let them heal and get command back before AA.
 
Juan Hillman has very quietly had a very solid 2021.

I'm wondering if any team will look at him in the Rule 5 draft. I doubt we have him as someone we are adding in 22 to the 40 man... He was a second round pick in 15, so the Indians did have some high hopes for him.
 
Juan Hillman qualifies as a minor league free agent after this season... hence why I said 'might' earlier.

Doubtful he returns to the CLE organization in order to repeat AA level again when he leads all the AA levels in Wins and is posting his best season statistically.
 

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