markb
Towel Waver
- Joined
- Sep 21, 2009
- Messages
- 72
- Reaction score
- 106
- Points
- 33
Nice to see the maturity growth of looking for advice from more experienced others. 180 from the stories that came out his first season.
Nice to see the maturity growth of looking for advice from more experienced others. 180 from the stories that came out his first season.
Here you go:
You hadn't made a single post in this thread after games 1 and 2 (Baker's best games), but right after the Vikings game you explode into this thread. Your 3rd post you're already bringing up Watson's name. Then you started talking about bringing Keenum in. Then you started talking about trading for Sam Darnold.
Sorry but you of all people don't get to say, "We're not talking about other QBs here." when you've made posts like this already.
Nice to see the maturity growth of looking for advice from more experienced others. 180 from the stories that came out his first season.
My point is you were quick to bring up other QB possibilities when we're discussing Baker. Now you're saying, "We're not talking about other QBs, we're only talking Baker." That's not a valid enough rebuttal from the first person to bring other QBs into these discussions.I suggested playing Case Keenum when Baker was hurt.
Explain to me what's the purpose of us having a backup QB?
I never said that we should trade for Sam Darnold either. I asked who people thought was playing better and if they believed that Darnold would play as good or better than Baker has played this season if he was here.
And with Deshaun Watson I asked again if people would make the move to get him and I even explained why. Also you're going to have a very hard time convincing anyone that Baker Mayfield is better than Deshaun Watson so I don't even know what point you're trying to make there.
He certainly didn't need to in Pittsburgh last year.
If he's going to need to be a clutch hero in every single playoff game then I don't have faith he'll succeed. But if he's as good as you said on 1st and 2nd down then I don't think that kind of playoff run will be required. Maybe 1 or 2 late, game-winning drives, but certainly not 4.
For his career, Baker Mayfield has gotten the ball in the 4th quarter within 1 possession either direction of his opponent 67 times. Here are the results (removing kneel downs)
23 Punts
20 Touchdowns
9 Turnovers
9 Failed 4th Downs
5 Made Field Goals
1 Missed Field Goal
Whoa, wait a minute. 93.6 was the league average for overall passer rating, not just when leading, when trailing, or when tied. Baker's overall passer rating in 2020 was 95.9, which by definition is NOT below average.The league average passer rating in 2020 was 94. The stats you posted are the definition of below average in crunch time.
I would venture to guess that the numbers for even the greats that you mentioned will not be as high as we might think. We remember off the top of our heads the times they delivered, not so much the times they failed. But yes, I'd absolutely be interested in seeing such numbers.Do you have time to take a few Random greats like Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers? I know its an unfair comparison, they are all time greats, well Mahomes will be, but just curious on their percentages. 30% TD's doesnt seam bad 40% TD or FG attempt seems even better.
Sure, but I don't think we needed to be +5 in the turnover battle to win that game. +5 in the turnover battle led to us dominating them before playing prevent defense to let them back in.It's just a tough ask.
I don't think Baker will necessarily have to play out of his mind 4x in a row for the Browns to win a Super Bowl, but the odds of being +5 in the turnover battle in a playoff game, which is what happened in Pittsburgh last year, more than once are remarkably more slim too.
We've just seen twice now in five weeks that the Browns can run the ball incredibly well, block incredibly well and dominate on 1st and 2nd downs and still have it not be enough.
I don't think 40% is bad either. We won't know how they measure up unless we compare them with the QBs of the leading AFC teams, but even then they're kinda lacking context. Did any of those QBs play under a Freddie Kitchens who regularly drew up verts in the redzone and called other BS plays like a draw play on 4th and 9?Do you have time to take a few Random greats like Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers? I know its an unfair comparison, they are all time greats, well Mahomes will be, but just curious on their percentages. 30% TD's doesnt seam bad 40% TD or FG attempt seems even better.
For the person who quoted Dan Orlovsky (I forgot who it was):
And for the guy who insinuated Mayfield could only "dink and dunk":
My point is you were quick to bring up other QB possibilities when we're discussing Baker. Now you're saying, "We're not talking about other QBs, we're only talking Baker." That's not a valid enough rebuttal from the first person to bring other QBs into these discussions.
If you can point out where I said Baker is better than Watson then I'll donate $50 to RCF. Stop with the BS.
It's just a tough ask.
I don't think Baker will necessarily have to play out of his mind 4x in a row for the Browns to win a Super Bowl, but the odds of being +5 in the turnover battle in a playoff game, which is what happened in Pittsburgh last year, more than once are remarkably more slim too.
We've just seen twice now in five weeks that the Browns can run the ball incredibly well, block incredibly well and dominate on 1st and 2nd downs and still have it not be enough.
That doesn't necessarily fall entirely on Baker, but I just don't see how anyone can trust him to bail out a leaky defense or overcome a turnover or just generally be the deodorant on whatever stinky thing that may happen against a great opponent.