Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Triplethreat]

Pat Mahomes
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow

Baker is going to have to outplay at least two of those guys in the playoffs to get to The Super Bowl. Is it possible? Absolutely. It's just that a lot of things have to go a certain way for that to happen. Every team that gets to The Super Bowl has to have at least a little bit of luck as is but at some point their QB has to step up and take the game. Go win it.

Dude you need to take a chill pill

If I remember correctly you were pulling this exact same schtick early in last season too.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Baker Mayfield is in a contract year. It is absolutely fair to discuss other potential options during this season.

You were once discussing Haskins when Baker was just in his 3rd year. Don't pretend like you're only doing it now because he's in his 4th year.

Are you saying we're not allowed to discuss the future at the QB position if that future doesn't include Baker Mayfield?

Lol what? I'm calling you out for being a hypocrite when faced with a point you couldn't refute.

I don't get this. You're bothered whenever any other QB options gets discussed yet the team that Baker plays for hasn't offered him an extension yet either so it's not like it's just the fans who aren't completely sold on Baker. The team is obviously not completely sold on him either. If they were then he would be signed.

I've already mentioned several times I'm cool with exploring options. It's just pointless to discuss Sam Darnold, Dwayne Haskins, etc... especially coming from a fairweather fan who is routinely on a milk carton whenever Baker performs well.

I said during last season when Baker was playing well that we still have to wait and see if the team is fully committed to him and I got laughed at by people who probably expected him to sign an extension during the offseason. I literally got laughed at and talked down to because I suggested that the team would do exactly what they are doing right now which is carry on like they are not fully committed to Baker Mayfield long term. There is no denying that the team is not fully committed to Baker Mayfield long term and because of that it is completely fair to discuss other option in the Baker Mayfield thread.

So you can accuse me of only talking about replacing Baker when he plays bad but that's simply not true. That's not what I'm doing and I'm not trying to jettison the dude. Plus, I gave Baker his props when he played well down the stretch last season but guess what? That was last season. It's a new season and he still doesn't have that long term deal so you know what people are gonna do? They are going to discuss what our other options are.

If you don't like the discussion or if Baker doesn't like the discussion (his social media statements shows that he clearly doesn't lol) then all Baker has to do is consistently play at a high level. If he does that the noise will go away and the team will commit him. He has not done that so the discussion continues.

You're laughed at by people because of your ridiculous takes. You made a bunch of ridiculous takes last year, wait until Baker has a bad game this year, then come swinging in bringing up other QBs.

You actually said you'd have WIPED OFF THE WIN for the Minnesota game just to play Keenum. Do you realize how hilariously awful that is?

Maybe after getting pinned into a corner in a back and forth argument you'll give some kind of half-hearted praise to Baker, otherwise you're gung-ho at him. And you know what? You're perfectly allowed to do that, just as I'm allowed to retort.

I strongly doubt the noise you've been making will end if we signed him to an extension lol.

 

[Los216]

Dude you need to take a chill pill

If I remember correctly you were pulling this exact same schtick early in last season too.

First of there is not schtick. Second, we're in the same exact position a year later so....................

The Browns are a contender. Now go and stack us up against the other contenders in the AFC. I will argue that the only advantage the other top teams have over us is at QB. Is that not true? We're a top 5 team in the AFC. All of the top teams in the AFC have studs at QB and I think Baker is clearly behind those guys. That's not a diss it's reality. The fact is that we're going to have to beat at least two of those guys. We have to in order to get to The Super Bowl.

For example if this were last season Baker would have to out play Mahomes and Josh Allen and then Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Can he do that? Yes, if things break our way. If we stop Chad Henne we beat KC and nobody cares that Mahomes was out injured. If our defense stops Josh Allen and Baker plays well enough to win then we get to the Super Bowl where it's just one game. Yes it's against The GOAT Tom Brady (lol) but it's still just one game.

So like I said numerous times, yes Baker could get us to the Super Bowl but at this point it's going to acquire some breaks. If he can take his game to another level then we won't have to worry about catching so many breaks.

 

[Los216]

You were once discussing Haskins when Baker was just in his 3rd year. Don't pretend like you're only doing it now because he's in his 4th year.


Lol what? I'm calling you out for being a hypocrite when faced with a point you couldn't refute.



I've already mentioned several times I'm cool with exploring options. It's just pointless to discuss Sam Darnold, Dwayne Haskins, etc... especially coming from a fairweather fan who is routinely on a milk carton whenever Baker performs well.


You're laughed at by people because of your ridiculous takes. You made a bunch of ridiculous takes last year, wait until Baker has a bad game this year, then come swinging in bringing up other QBs.

You actually said you'd have WIPED OFF THE WIN for the Minnesota game just to play Keenum. Do you realize how hilariously awful that is?

Maybe after getting pinned into a corner in a back and forth argument you'll give some kind of half-hearted praise to Baker, otherwise you're gung-ho at him. And you know what? You're perfectly allowed to do that, just as I'm allowed to retort.

I strongly doubt the noise you've been making will end if we signed him to an extension lol.

Man I never said that we should replace Baker with Haskins. How would we even do that? By cutting Baker? I never suggested that but you're speaking it into existence.

Every time I mentioned another QB it was an off season move. You're acting like I'm asking for us to cut Baker or trade him in season. I have never suggested that.

The move that I suggested last season was to look into trading Baker for Matt Stafford after the season ended which just so happened to be the exact move that a team in very similar situation to the Browns did. They literally made a move that I suggested we should look into so I don't see how that was a ridiculous take. Another team did it.

Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, and Aaron Rodgers are all offseason moves that I suggested but you don't think it's fair to bring that up so.....

And I only brought up Sam Darnold to compare his play to Baker's since like Baker, Sam Darnold got paired up with a new offense and better coaching and they were in the same draft class. So you can laugh at me bringing up Sam Darnold but I did that because they were in the same draft class. I don't see people laughing when we mention Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson who this board absolutely trashed and one of them is an MVP and the other one was an MVP candidate last season and is leading what probably is the best team in the league right now.

So forgive me if the expectation for former #1 overall pick Baker Mayfield in his 4th season are a little high right now.

 

[Los216]

It's whatever though. I know some of y'all do not want to entertain the idea that Baker Mayfield might not be our Franchise QB and that's okay. It's fine. You just don't have to be blind to the fact that the expectations for this team are extremely high. Like win The Super Bowl this year high. So for some of us, we think that in order for that to happen for us this year, Baker Mayfield has to step his game up a few levels. We can do that and also look forward at what our options may be if Baker does not meet those expectations.

We can do both.

 

[bob2the2nd]

It's whatever though. I know some of y'all do not want to entertain the idea that Baker Mayfield might not be our Franchise QB and that's okay. It's fine. You just don't have to be blind to the fact that the expectations for this team are extremely high. Like win The Super Bowl this year high. So for some of us, we think that in order for that to happen for us this year, Baker Mayfield has to step his game up a few levels. We can do that and also look forward at what our options may be if Baker does not meet those expectations.

We can do both.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DUDE GIVE IT A GOD DAMN BREAK

 

[Vee-Rex]

Man I never said that we should replace Baker with Haskins. How would we even do that? By cutting Baker? I never suggested that but you're speaking it into existence.

You've mentioned Haskins as a replacement. You know that. The logistics are never something you concern yourself with when you're discussing replacements.

Every time I mentioned another QB it was an off season move. You're acting like I'm asking for us to cut Baker or trade him in season. I have never suggested that.

I don't think this to be true. I mean, I could gravedig since this thread is full of gems.

The move that I suggested last season was to look into trading Baker for Matt Stafford after the season ended which just so happened to be the exact move that a team in very similar situation to the Browns did. They literally made a move that I suggested we should look into so I don't see how that was a ridiculous take. Another team did it.

Derek Carr, Matt Ryan, Deshaun Watson, and Aaron Rodgers are all offseason moves that I suggested but you don't think it's fair to bring that up so.....

I mean, throw enough names out there and of course you'll hit some good ones. You also mentioned Haskins, Keenum, CAM NEWTON, JIMMY GAROPPOLO, JAMEIS WINSTON.

And I only brought up Sam Darnold to compare his play to Baker's since like Baker, Sam Darnold got paired up with a new offense and better coaching and they were in the same draft class. So you can laugh at me bringing up Sam Darnold but I did that because they were in the same draft class. I don't see people laughing when we mention Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson who this board absolutely trashed and one of them is an MVP and the other one was an MVP candidate last season and is leading what probably is the best team in the league right now.

So forgive me if the expectation for former #1 overall pick Baker Mayfield in his 4th season are a little high right now.

I think at some point it becomes a dead horse. You can criticize Baker, but 3 games in you're already pushing the idea of replacing him? It's pretty much the same as last year. Hell, if I go back to 2019, probably the same then. I haven't looked but I wonder what you were saying Baker's rookie year after some blowout losses to the Chiefs/Chargers.

And you wonder why you take the criticism that you do?

Guess what you were doing on October 13th, 2020? One year ago today? Fantasizing about Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, etc... it's all there, bro. The pages are there. I'm really not trying to pick on you. But replacing the W on the schedule to start Keenum? Do you still feel that way or was that just a response you made in the heat of the moment?

 

[DirtyDan]

He's probably the long term QB and that's okay. Getting an opportunity to upgrade at QB isn't exactly common and Baker is already better than quite a few starters in this league.

I'm hoping he can improve his play but I think the dicussion has moved towards this current level of play being his ceiling. The system here puts him in the best possible situation to succeed and they'll just have to role the dice and see how far Mayfield can go.

If Watson is cleared or Rogers/Wilson become available then you have to go all in though. This team is built to win and no one should have to pin their hopes of a superbowl on Baker Mayfield

 

[Vee-Rex]

It's whatever though. I know some of y'all do not want to entertain the idea that Baker Mayfield might not be our Franchise QB and that's okay. It's fine. You just don't have to be blind to the fact that the expectations for this team are extremely high. Like win The Super Bowl this year high. So for some of us, we think that in order for that to happen for us this year, Baker Mayfield has to step his game up a few levels. We can do that and also look forward at what our options may be if Baker does not meet those expectations.

We can do both.

I feel that, and if you're genuine about what you said then you might understand how talking replacements 3 games in (or even simply making comparisons to worse QBs like Darnold) can be perceived as overreacting, right?

We're still fans of the same team despite all the disagreeing. We good?

 

[Vee-Rex]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT DUDE GIVE IT A GOD DAMN BREAK

To be fair, this probably applies more to me than anyone else

Work has been slow the last couple days and I’ve been camping the hell out of this thread, no doubt fueling the flames lol

 

[Los216]

You've mentioned Haskins as a replacement. You know that. The logistics are never something you concern yourself with when you're discussing replacements.

No I did not. I only ever suggested picking up Haskins after he was cut exactly how PIT did. I never said we should replace Baker with him but you're convincing yourself that I did. I only ever suggested picking him up as a developmental guy to push Baker on the roster.

I don't think this to be true. I mean, I could gravedig since this thread is full of gems.

Don't waste your time because this is not true either lololololololol

I mean, throw enough names out there and of course you'll hit some good ones. You also mentioned Haskins, Keenum, CAM NEWTON, JIMMY GAROPPOLO, JAMEIS WINSTON.

I addressed Haskins already. I only ever said we should play Case Keenum if Baker was hurt which he was hurt in that Pittsburg game when he did get pulled and he was hurt in that Minnesota game. At least that's what we were told right? He was playing hurt in Minnesota? If he was really that hurt I suggested that a fully healthy Case Keenum would've did better than Baker ON THAT DAY. Case Keenum is the backup QB in a system that he knows playing against his former team. It is not a stretch to beleive that Case Keenum would've had a better game that day now c'mon now lololol

Cam Newton, Jimmy G, and Jamies Winston were all offseason moves that I suggested. Also The Browns were the only other team besides The Pats that actually met with Cam Newton. Just saying. Those were all offseason moves though. Offseason.

I think at some point it becomes a dead horse. You can criticize Baker, but 3 games in you're already pushing the idea of replacing him?

I'm not pushing the idea of replacing him. I'm evaluating the options for the future. If anything I'm pushing for Baker to play better wtf lolololol.

Guess what you were doing on October 13th, 2020? One year ago today? Fantasizing about Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, etc... it's all there, bro.

Those were offseason moves. One of them already happened (Matt Stafford) in similar fashion. I don't think that was a ridiculous take. Do you think The Rams made a bad decision by replacing Goff for Stafford? I only suggested that we consider the same move. I looks to me like The Rams made a great decision that's working out well for them so far.

But replacing the W on the schedule to start Keenum? Do you still feel that way or was that just a response you made in the heat of the moment?

You're making this more than what it is. I simply said that on that Sunday in Minnesota I would've rather seen us play Case Keenum if Baker was in the condition that he was in. You're asking me if I would've rather played our backup instead of our injured starting QB and my answer is yes. I think Case Keenum would've won that game on Sunday. You're acting like if Keenum played that game that MIN would've blown us out. We won despite Baker having his worst game ever. I think Case Keenum would've been better on that day. How is that ridiculous?


We just have different views my man. It's all good. All these questions will be answered dat the end of this season...........At least that's what people were saying at the end of last season but you know what I mean lololololol

 

[CBBI]

Ian pretty much nails everything that a lot of different people have said.

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[Los216]

I feel that, and if you're genuine about what you said then you might understand how talking replacements 3 games in (or even simply making comparisons to worse QBs like Darnold) can be perceived as overreacting, right?

We're still fans of the same team despite all the disagreeing. We good?

Oh I'm not basing anything off of 3 games. I'm basing it off of Baker's total body of work which is 51 games now.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Literally every AFC QB is going to have to go through 2 elite teams. Mahomes, Allen, Mayfield, Jackson, Herbert, Burrow if you want to add him as well...will all have to beat two of the others.

The AFC is loaded. The margin for error is thin. We have a QB concern, but guess what Baltimore is going to have a depth concern, Buffalo has a concern on their ability to run & stop the pass, KC has a defensive concern, LA has a shit run defense, Cincy is Cincy, etc.

Of all the concerns that every AFC team has, none of them A) have the ability to control the clock like we do & B) has a fixable issue that has shown the ability to play at an elite level (Baker).

We are not perfect. He is not perfect. But if I was another team I would be more worried about my short comings.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Whoa, wait a minute. 93.6 was the league average for overall passer rating, not just when leading, when trailing, or when tied. Baker's overall passer rating in 2020 was 95.9, which by definition is NOT below average.

Furthermore, the point of my list earlier was to show that EVERY QB with at least 300 attempts last year has a lower rating when trailing than he does when leading. Using a weighted average based on number of attempts for each split, a QB's passer rating was on average 30.3 points lower when trailing than it was when leading. If you think I'm using weighted averages to manipulate the stats, then fine, a straight average still shows a difference of 29.0 points. BTW, Baker's rating when trailing was only 24.3 points lower, which means, by definition, the difference in his leading/trailing split is NOT below average.

Accusing Baker of being below average because his QB rating when trailing is 3.3 points below the league average rating is akin to saying that Steph Curry is a below average shooter because his 3P% last season (.421) was lower than the league average FG% (.466). I understand that this analogy will come off as hyperbolic, but that is the EXACT same logic you are trying to apply to your Baker argument, is it not?

The Steph Curry analogy is honestly ridiculous. You are using a raw singular stat. Is QB rating or QBR a singular stat?

Am I saying he’s a below average passer because his completion percentage is a tick below league average?

They’re not remotely close to the same thing.

Baker was what? 14th in the data you posted? In his best year? That is my point. His best has been average overall and below average in crunch time. I personally would argue bad. Not sure why this is such a hot or hyperbolic take to you. That is what the data says.