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Nice to see the maturity growth of looking for advice from more experienced others. 180 from the stories that came out his first season.
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Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons
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I suggested playing Case Keenum when Baker was hurt.
Explain to me what's the purpose of us having a backup QB?
I never said that we should trade for Sam Darnold either. I asked who people thought was playing better and if they believed that Darnold would play as good or better than Baker has played this season if he was here.
And with Deshaun Watson I asked again if people would make the move to get him and I even explained why. Also you're going to have a very hard time convincing anyone that Baker Mayfield is better than Deshaun Watson so I don't even know what point you're trying to make there.
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Remember when he said he didn't need any help? People seem to forget that Baker was a bit of an asshole for a while here. He's definitely matured some more but I still don't like the way he and his camp are so reactionary to criticism on social media.
Baker has been in his fair share of spats sense he's been here. Off the top of my head Rex Ryan. Colin Cowheard, Hue Jackson, Stephen A. Smith. At some point that excuse of him using it as motivation gets a bit old and people just want to see consistent QB play. What's crazy is that if he were consistently playing at that high level he wouldn't have this many critics.
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My point is you were quick to bring up other QB possibilities when we're discussing Baker. Now you're saying, "We're not talking about other QBs, we're only talking Baker." That's not a valid enough rebuttal from the first person to bring other QBs into these discussions.
If you can point out where I said Baker is better than Watson then I'll donate $50 to RCF. Stop with the BS.
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It's just a tough ask.
I don't think Baker will necessarily have to play out of his mind 4x in a row for the Browns to win a Super Bowl, but the odds of being +5 in the turnover battle in a playoff game, which is what happened in Pittsburgh last year, more than once are remarkably more slim too.
We've just seen twice now in five weeks that the Browns can run the ball incredibly well, block incredibly well and dominate on 1st and 2nd downs and still have it not be enough.
That doesn't necessarily fall entirely on Baker, but I just don't see how anyone can trust him to bail out a leaky defense or overcome a turnover or just generally be the deodorant on whatever stinky thing that may happen against a great opponent.
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Do you have time to take a few Random greats like Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers? I know its an unfair comparison, they are all time greats, well Mahomes will be, but just curious on their percentages. 30% TD's doesnt seam bad 40% TD or FG attempt seems even better.
Whoa, wait a minute. 93.6 was the league average for overall passer rating, not just when leading, when trailing, or when tied. Baker's overall passer rating in 2020 was 95.9, which by definition is NOT below average.
Furthermore, the point of my list earlier was to show that EVERY QB with at least 300 attempts last year has a lower rating when trailing than he does when leading. Using a weighted average based on number of attempts for each split, a QB's passer rating was on average 30.3 points lower when trailing than it was when leading. If you think I'm using weighted averages to manipulate the stats, then fine, a straight average still shows a difference of 29.0 points. BTW, Baker's rating when trailing was only 24.3 points lower, which means, by definition, the difference in his leading/trailing split is NOT below average.
Accusing Baker of being below average because his QB rating when trailing is 3.3 points below the league average rating is akin to saying that Steph Curry is a below average shooter because his 3P% last season (.421) was lower than the league average FG% (.466). I understand that this analogy will come off as hyperbolic, but that is the EXACT same logic you are trying to apply to your Baker argument, is it not?
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Sure, but I don't think we needed to be +5 in the turnover battle to win that game. +5 in the turnover battle led to us dominating them before playing prevent defense to let them back in.
I'd 100% agree that we are unable to win right now if the Chargers/Chiefs (literally 2 of the best teams in the AFC, maybe the 2 best teams besides Buffalo) steamrolled us. We went INTO Arrowhead, INTO SoFi and had substantial leads but couldn't hold onto them because of self-inflicted wounds. The Chiefs were on the ropes, and so were the Chargers. I'm sorry, but that's not the mark of a team that is incapable of beating those teams.
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I don't think 40% is bad either. We won't know how they measure up unless we compare them with the QBs of the leading AFC teams, but even then they're kinda lacking context. Did any of those QBs play under a Freddie Kitchens who regularly drew up verts in the redzone and called other BS plays like a draw play on 4th and 9?
I'd much rather see those numbers for 2020 and beyond, as that gives us a better view of where the Stefanski/Baker era is with those metrics. I don't really care about what he did with Todd Haley or FK as his play-caller.
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That number for Lamar and Allen are scary, especially with the Bills defense.
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Baker Mayfield is in a contract year. It is absolutely fair to discuss other potential options during this season.
Are you saying we're not allowed to discuss the future at the QB position if that future doesn't include Baker Mayfield?
I don't get this. You're bothered whenever any other QB options gets discussed yet the team that Baker plays for hasn't offered him an extension yet either so it's not like it's just the fans who aren't completely sold on Baker. The team is obviously not completely sold on him either. If they were then he would be signed.
I said during last season when Baker was playing well that we still have to wait and see if the team is fully committed to him and I got laughed at by people who probably expected him to sign an extension during the offseason. I literally got laughed at and talked down to because I suggested that the team would do exactly what they are doing right now which is carry on like they are not fully committed to Baker Mayfield long term. There is no denying that the team is not fully committed to Baker Mayfield long term and because of that it is completely fair to discuss other option in the Baker Mayfield thread.
So you can accuse me of only talking about replacing Baker when he plays bad but that's simply not true. That's not what I'm doing and I'm not trying to jettison the dude. Plus, I gave Baker his props when he played well down the stretch last season but guess what? That was last season. It's a new season and he still doesn't have that long term deal so you know what people are gonna do? They are going to discuss what our other options are.
If you don't like the discussion or if Baker doesn't like the discussion (his social media statements shows that he clearly doesn't lol) then all Baker has to do is consistently play at a high level. If he does that the noise will go away and the team will commit him. He has not done that so the discussion continues.
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Pat Mahomes
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Justin Herbert
Joe Burrow
Baker is going to have to outplay at least two of those guys in the playoffs to get to The Super Bowl. Is it possible? Absolutely. It's just that a lot of things have to go a certain way for that to happen. Every team that gets to The Super Bowl has to have at least a little bit of luck as is but at some point their QB has to step up and take the game. Go win it.