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BimboColesHair said:
One thing to remember when looking at Rondo's stats for this season.

He shared the floor an awful lot with Westbrook. 1/3rd of his total minutes played for the season he shared with a guy who is an absolute ball stopper, who needs the ball in his hands as much as possible, and led to the Lakers having 2 non-shooters in their backcourt in their lineup.

It was predictably a terrible combo (-20.6 net rating with Rondo and Westbrook on the floor together), and once you add in LeBron it never made sense for Rondo to see much PT as he is a 3rd guy who needs to control the ball to be effective.

Running the Cavs 2nd unit he won't have that problem and running with Garland as the guard opposite of him in 2 PG looks is juuuuuuuuust a bit different than running with Westbrook.
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Sure… but Rondo hasn't been good in a long time. It's not just the Lakers.
 
Last year Rondo was in the 2nd percentile in points per shot attempt playing with Atlanta and in the 89th percentile with the Clippers, so it is definitely affected by what team the player Is on and the fit. The number of minutes were the same.

One thing that doesn't change from year to year is his assist rate is extremely high and so are his turnovers. It's like every time he gets the ball he's determined to make something happen. It's either going to be an assist or a turnover.
 
Heat Check said:
Sure… but Rondo hasn't been good in a long time. It's not just the Lakers.
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That’s not true at all.

He was terrific with the Clippers just last year. 8, 6, 3 and a steal in 20 minutes a night. 3:1 assist to turnover ratio, 48/43/100 shooting splits, +8.1 net rating on the court.

The Lakers are and were an awful fit for him. Too many ball stoppers, too many guys who have to have the ball in their hands to be at their best offensively.

He is not what he once was, but in the right situations with the right players he is still a very useful player, he showed that just last year.

I believe the Cavs have a roster that can bring that back out of him.
 
BimboColesHair said:
That’s not true at all.

He was terrific with the Clippers just last year. 8, 6, 3 and a steal in 20 minutes a night. 3:1 assist to turnover ratio, 48/43/100 shooting splits, +8.1 net rating on the court.

The Lakers are and were an awful fit for him. Too many ball stoppers, too many guys who have to have the ball in their hands to be at their best offensively.

He is not what he once was, but in the right situations with the right players he is still a very useful player, he showed that just last year.

I believe the Cavs have a roster that can bring that back out of him.
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rondo on the lakers championship team had shooters in danny green, kuzma, KCP and sometimes jr smith.

this really shows how team make up affects rondo's game, and why this cavs team is a much better fit for rondo's 15 minutes a game than the current lakers.
 
Heat Check said:
Whaaaaaaat…??

Wow, people are REALLY talking themselves into liking senior citizen Rondo.
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Compared to the drop-off we get with Pangos or Goodwin? I'll stand by my comment. He will be light years better than those guys, good enough to keep the offense working and functional.
 
I am not sure what NBA some of you guys have been watching but Rondo playing basketball is very very team dependent. If he is on a decent-good team with dudes he likes and who are hardcore grinders, he will show up and show up big. If they are a bunch of shlubs he will mail it in like Harden with Houston in 2020. He showed up super hard in the playoffs in 2020 and was a borderline allstar. He showed up with LAC last year. Even going back to the Bulls stretch, he nearly single handedly beat Brad Steven's overrated system until he got injured and Wade/Butler couldn't finish the job. He was also excellent with Boogie in Sac. I think we will see more of this Rondo
 
Rondo still has the skills to run our offense, it'll work out I think. He'll be setting up Allen and Mobley to do their usual stuff. He'll get the ball to the open guy. The thing is we still got no one who can sink a three outside of Love.
He won't equal Rubios scoring potential but may have his moments where he sinks a big shot that matters.
Wish tomorrows game was earlier than 10pm.
 
Jake said:
Rondo still has the skills to run our offense, it'll work out I think. He'll be setting up Allen and Mobley to do their usual stuff. He'll get the ball to the open guy. The thing is we still got no one who can sink a three outside of Love.
He won't equal Rubios scoring potential but may have his moments where he sinks a big shot that matters.
Wish tomorrows game was earlier than 10pm.
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Live on the West coast it will be at 7…….lol
 
foucault87 said:
I am not sure what NBA some of you guys have been watching but Rondo playing basketball is very very team dependent. If he is on a decent-good team with dudes he likes and who are hardcore grinders, he will show up and show up big. If they are a bunch of shlubs he will mail it in like Harden with Houston in 2020. He showed up super hard in the playoffs in 2020 and was a borderline allstar. He showed up with LAC last year. Even going back to the Bulls stretch, he nearly single handedly beat Brad Steven's overrated system until he got injured and Wade/Butler couldn't finish the job. He was also excellent with Boogie in Sac. I think we will see more of this Rondo
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I think you make a great point that Rondo needs the right combination around him. He needs offensive talent and he needs a defensive mentality from the coaches.

I do know that he has fallen off. Know what, that's fine. I don't want Cavs fans to get Sacramento Rondo hopes and then lash out. That was seven long years ago.

But will he prove to be better than fucking Valentine? Oh, hell yes. I hope Cavs fans don't lose sight of the fact we basically got Rondo for free. That's the bolded headline here... We lost Ricky Rubio in the middle of best season of his life, but we get Rondo for the price of good karma alone.
 
Douglar said:
I'm ready for a Rondo debut tonight. Who else is excited?
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Few players have I hated more than him. It has going to be hard, but my hate has dulled over the years

Of course Rondo is from Louisville like I am. I did have a friend who went to high school with him. There was at least one funny story

He was in chemistry class and the teacher asked him a question. He just sat and stared at her. She said, "you need to answer me, Rajon." he just stared sitting like stone.

She lost her mind and started yelling at him.

His friend stood up behind him in class and started hyping him. "Rondo doesn't give a dame about chemistry! This is MFing Rajon Rondo. Chemistry don't get you to the NBA!"

Kid was right. That teacher was the Rick Carlisle of Eastern High School

He was a humble kid as you can see in this clip

 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
Based on cleaningtheglass.com Rondo is a really bad player. First of all, he's almost 36 years old. The Cavs will be his 9th team in the last seven years. Nobody who's had him since the '14-'15 season wanted to keep him.

Compared to Rubio he's almost five years older and four inches shorter.

In terms of points per shot attempt, Rondo is in the 5th percentile; Rubio is in the 32nd. In assists per usage rate, Rondo is in the 100th percentile compared to the 83rd for Rubio. One thing about Rondo - he can dish them out.

In turnover percentage Rondo is in the 0th percentile, meaning he's in the worst 1% of point guards in that category. Rubio wasn't great, either, but at least he was in the 24th percentile. This isn't a recent development. In the last seven years Rondo has never been above the 16th percentile in turnover percentage and he's been well below that number most years.

You'd think after all those years in the NBA Rondo would be better at protecting the ball, but he's the worst in the league. At the same time, he dishes out more assists per minute than anybody.Apparently he throws a lot of high risk passes that either turn out to be turnovers or assists.

In terms of on/off numbers, Rondo is awful. The Lakers were 16.9 points per 100 possessions WORSE when he was on the floor. With Rubio in the game the Cavs were 4.9 points better.

Rondo talked about being excited to play with three seven-footers, having never done that before. Maybe throwing the ball to bigger targets will reduce his turnover rate. But if he's going to help this team and replace Rubio he needs to cut way back on the turnovers while keeping his assist rate up.
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No question he’s not as good as Rubio. But the awful stats you’re quoting are from this year with the Lakers. He has sucked this year it’s true. But last year with the Clippers and the year before that during the Lakers playoff run he looked much much better - actually looked good. The big question is whether that Rajon Rondo is still there with motivation, or whether he has hit an age- related wall and he’s toast. We’ll start to see tonite
 
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cavsfever said:
No question he’s not as good as Rubio. But the awful stats you’re quoting are from this year with the Lakers. He has sucked this year it’s true. But last year with the Clippers and the year before that during the Lakers playoff run he looked much much better - actually looked good. The big question is whether that Rajon Rondo is still there with motivation, or whether he has hit an age- related wall.
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I think it is good that he can't get away with coasting on this team. The guys won't let him
 
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